Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

CEM — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:51:58 GMT

Free radicals are produced when we are bombarded by man-made electromagnetic and microwave/radiowave fields. This radiation also disrupts gene expression because our cells use frequencies from the earth and solar system to do their thing, and with things like cell phone towers, wi-fi, and satellites everywhere, they are getting confused.

So please stop blaming our genes - it's the EMF/RF exposure that is causing all disease. So when I read this...

"However, in some people, a mutated gene can disrupt the fine balance, causing the cells to produce too much."

...I think, yea, in people who are chronically exposed to EMF/RF.

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

wiserd — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:41:05 GMT

A type of natural vitamin E (RRR alpha tocopherol) interferes with vitamin K metabolism which can lead to arterial calcification and calcification of soft tissue (The same is true for warfarin and aspirin and quite possibly turmeric which contains coumadin). Japanese natto provides menaquinones, a special type of vitamin K which can reverse this process.

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

acemommy — Fri, 09 May 2008 13:44:08 GMT

I think it is hard to know what is good for you and what isn't anymore. I have had great results with a mangosteen/aloe/green tea liquid product. It is water soluable and natural, so I guess what my body doesn't need it gets rid of. You just need to watch what you take and make sure it is natural and not synthetic. Dr. Mercola sure has some great enlightening articles on here. dosen't he??

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

David A Camp — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:54:42 GMT

As a researcher I find this kind of reporting to show the bias of the govt (specifically the FDA and its ties to the pharm industry and physicians. They tested two vitamins - they did not test the wide range of antioxidants and they did not eliminate the potential spurious influences of other aspects of the substances. Yet they make claims that appear that they did. My blog davidacamp.com (which does not sell anything) looks at the fda and its various issues. People need facts in jargon they actually understand. When professional use industry jargon that lay people are known to misunderstand, the professionals are guilty of purposefully misleading. One of the most common is the word correlation. A numerical association. not a cause and effect. example: the more damage a house fire results in, the more fire trucks that were called out. This would lead to a conclusion of someone calling the fire dept and saying,"I have a fire, it is a big one but please send only one truck." and other such nonsense.

FUrther, as in the fruit mangosteen, there are many many types of antioxidants and to test one or two and make the proclamation they did in this article is simply irresponsible, unprofessional, biased, and potentially harmful. What about people that might benefit from antioxidants but do not based on a misleading report such as this. If they die as a result are they guiilty of manslaughter? - (only partly kidding on that one.)

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

Herbal_Venn — Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:58:53 GMT

this is from the actual artical hahah---copy and paste..They’re hoping that their research may pave the way for a new class of drugs to treat or even prevent heart disease caused by “reductive stress.”.. haha its right there for us to see through...... i agree that there need to be a balance.... but i honestly think with our toxic lifestyles ... ie environmental pollution,stress, electromagnetic pollution ( which we cant help much), and all the crap in most foods, it would be next to impossible to overdose on antioxidents.... we live such synthetic unnatural lives (not pointing fingers..me too), that we are constantly so bombarded by free radicles, i think obtaining AO's from supplements (as long as they are the right form ie R+ alpha lipoic vs alpha lipoic ) is fine.......its like the acid alkali balance.... although yes we need a balance 90% of the population will be tending towards acidity and could benifit from foods/supplements (ie simple baking soda) that are alkalizing.......hmm just my opinion... and i promise i dont work for any supplement manufacturing companies...

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

DB0133 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:34:23 GMT

This is the biggest crock of BS that I have heard. Surely anyone involved in alternative health can see through this. There is always some study that the FDA and the pharmaceutical industry is wanting publicized to scare the public so that they will not take supplements and keep themselves healthy, which would cut money out of doctors pockets and decrease the need for drugs from the pharmaceutical industry. A well balanced Naturally sourced nutritional supplement that contains a broad spectrum of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, Omega 3's and Probiotics, that are in balanced ratios, not mega doses, are completely safe and proven to improve health and decrease incidence of disease. I advise you to check out www.shakleevitalizer.com

I will be glad to discuss this with anyone. Results to soon be published in JAMA.

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

AngieL — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:25:02 GMT

So what does that mean for the Fucothin weight loss supplement that Dr. Mercola recommends is there any relation there? It has a high concentrate of antioxidents includeeing Brown seaweed (Udaria pinnatifida, laminaria japonica) Concentrate with Fucoxanthin and pomegranate seed oil. Is this still safe to take? I've been taking it for 1 1/2 months to loose my 30 lbs of baby weight I gained having 2 babies. My husband is taking it too...

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

Haras — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:10:35 GMT

I'm suspicious.

Maybe this study was done to pave the way for a new drug targeted at health conscious people who take antioxidants to live a longer and healthier life. There'll be a drug to prevent heart failure in people who are antioxidant depleted and another drug for preventing heart failure in those who take antioxidants. Hmmm, that just about covers everyone.

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

wgc — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:08:40 GMT

The one point I'd make is this: A natural diet would be an effective route to take if we weren't exposed to so many toxins on a daily basis. I was a raw foodist for years, and I never took supplements (aside from green powders). In some regards, my health was superlative (I never got colds, etc.) But there was still room for improvement, especially in areas that had to do with neurological functioning.

I read a wonderful book called "Detoxify or Die," by Dr. Sherry Rogers. Her basic point is that we have to megadose on certain antioxidants (like vitamin C and glutathione) to function optimally in this toxic world. She also recommends finding a doctor versed in environmental and preventative.

Since reading that book, I've found a wonderful doctor with that sort of background in my area, who recommended I take the supplements mentioned in Rogers' book. The difference in my overall health and appearance has been dramatic. I think more clearly, my skin looks better... it's been just amazing.

I don't want you to think this was ALL due to antioxidants. My doctor also put me on a plan to address candida overgrowth, and that has been quite successful. But I'm certain that the antioxidants have played a huge role. I really recommend reading that book if you want to learn more on the issue.

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Omawazzi — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:36:10 GMT

All I can say is: Antioxidants work for me and I will keep on using them.

I question anything said by the Media. They can be paid to promote lies to the people, much like our government politicians accept bribes from lobbyists.

If one ever hears the real truth of the matter, you will read or hear it over the Internet, not from the National Media.

Because of the Internet the truth has an avenue to get out and the "powers that be" would love to be able to stop it.

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

mohammad kazemi — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:15:51 GMT

Ok people it makes sense to eat veggies as much as possible. But I don‘t trust some studies.

re: Could Too Many Antioxidants be as Bad as Too Few?

Answers — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:58:23 GMT

I absolutely agree. It depends on who said it and how they did the testing. I go the natural route, since we know that that works the best and it is more pure. For my own health I use a whole fruit Mangosteen juice with antioxidants. A natural health product

knows which part of the body needs to be helped, whereas we know that a med for example, is only prescribed for a specific ailment. If you take a food, you can't go too far wrong.

Nan

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ezduzit — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:53:05 GMT

I have been told by my naturopath that the best source of antioxidants is kale, which we eat almost every day. Do you have any info on this?

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John King — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:27:36 GMT

All of the above comments regarding isolated and synthetic vitamins are true. But what I always think of when one of these studies comes out is: Who did the study? What are their affiliations? Who gave them the money to do the study? What are their motives? If the study was some how funded by the AMA or a drug company, you have your answer. They have little motivation for keeping us well.

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rickfromthesticks — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:16:01 GMT

I wonder if the term "supplements" speaks only of concentrated nutrients, even in the natural types. I have powdered maitake mushroom, powdered grape seeds and ground up saw palmetto that I encapsulate for supplementation. Could this lead to overload when I do not process it or concentrate it? I really don't see how taking a whole substance would do that, but in the course of a day you could ingest quite a bit of anti-oxidants.