Raw Milk is Catching On in the UK

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Tiggy — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:14:30 GMT

Can you get raw milk that's been homogenised in some way? I know some people like it, but I really can't bear the bits of cream floating in milk. We had milk straight from the cow in France as a friend owned a herd and it was like that. The milk we used to get delivered when I was a child was non-homogenised and I have really bad memories of tea with blobs of fat on the top. People here, (UK) used to have milk delivered by a milkman who drove a little electric trolley thing and some still do, but mostly people buy it in the supermarket. Btw, does anyone know what effect freezing has on milk - milk that's already processed I mean? My mother does this - I think she's insane!

Tiggy.

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siberianwolf4u — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:28:42 GMT

Well folks!! I live in rural Hawke's Bay, New Zealand and within co-ee we have the most ultra wonderful organic raw milk of the very highest quality , along with organic raw yoghurt raw cheeses all the way from quark to the really hard stuff. Also for non - vegetarians there is a great variety of organic beef. Plus a huge variety of Demeter quality vegetables and fruit. Fly South with the geese and live in peace and harmony with the nature, land and the gifts of the sea! Kind regards my unseen friends. Jackie Volkov

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rbfraven — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:18:12 GMT

Assuming that the comment about the adverse effects of freezing is correct, it would appear that the ONLY correct way to consume raw milk is to drink it cold or at room temperature or make something without heat like kefir.

If you bake with it, make yogurt, melt butter made from raw milk, heat or melt cheese made from raw milk, or heat any raw milk product, you are in effect pasteurizing it which, according to this and other mercola.com articles, destroys some of its most valuable components.

I don't recall seeing any guidelines for safe temperatures for heating raw milk but the temperature at which it comes from the cow (101F according to one source) might be the maximum safe temperature.

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bear momma — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:36:40 GMT

I have raw milk. I own three Brown Swiss cows, and also have nine goats, two of which milk so far. I am a herdsperson for an 85 cow dairy and I have my three Swiss there with that herd. (About ten minutes from my home) I can bring one cow home and milk her for my family, but I really want to bring all three of my girls home and sell raw milk here. Even though Pennsylvania allows the sell of raw milk, I do not see how I can do that on such a small scale because of the regulations and costs of testing. I have thought about selling interest, or shares of the cows to folks who want raw milk, then the milk is from essentially their cow, so the gov. can't regulate it. I have read that farmers do this in states where raw milk sells are prohibited. I was thinking I may be able to do that. I know, as somebody who's life in immersed in the farming business, how much better a small herd can be taken care of, rather than a large herd. Cows are so much less stressed. The need for medications is so much less. My dream is to sell organic raw milk, eggs, meat, fruit and vegatables from my 40 acres. Am I going to be regulated for each thing I grow? If I want to sell butter and cheeses, does that cause me even more in regulation codes, testing and whatnot? Any ideas, knowledge, or encouragement is welcome.

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herbalaud — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:47:49 GMT

I am on a Nourishing Traditions Cookbook newsletter/yahoo group, and I am amazed that it is so hard for some people to find raw milk, and so expensive to buy. I am so blessed, here way out in the country in Wyoming, I get gallons of raw milk weekly from a nearby farmer, grass pastured cows, for an unbelievable 2 dollars a gallon. I make kefir, yogurt, buttermilk, cultured butter, sour cream, and cream cheese from it. I am hoping to try raw aged cheese soon. I think it is probably illegal for them to sell it to me, but I am not telling. We are a large family, all lactose intolerant, and before the raw milk, couldn't take any dairy products, but now we are enjoying it all, and without getting ill from it. Thanks to Ron Paul for sponsoring legislation for interstate raw milk selling.

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Trevor2522 — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:42:11 GMT

Christopher Tolley : you can add to your UK raw milk database ...

Punchards Farm. Contact: Mrs Ann Tomkinson Address: Brettenham Road, Hightown Green, Rattlesden, Suffolk. Tel: 01449 736395

Email me and we can cross check some others too. trevor2522@yahoo.com .

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Trevor2522 — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:09:57 GMT

These are the UK regs: www.food.gov.uk/.../rm.annA.pdf

In theory we (in England and Wales) have access to raw milk but in practice I, for instance, have to drive 46 miles each way from my home in Cambridge to a farm in deepest Suffolk for their delicious raw Jersey milk and cream. The cost of petrol is £9 a trip, 2-pint plastic bottles (of 'green top') cost £0.90 (surprisingly store sales of pasteurised have to be in litres!) and cream is £1.25 per half pint . I go there every 2 to 3 weeks. By that time my remaining milk and cream are souring naturally but still palatable and safe (if pasteurised they would be rotten).

When I visit Switzerland I can buy 'rohmilch' in health food stores at 70% more than UK prices (and more watery than my 'local' Jersey). They like a few days' notice as only small stocks are kept. But at least the Swiss have free access within population centres -- good for them!

The Scots have banned raw milk entirely which is a shame as they already have the worst health in the United Kingdom. In Northern Ireland there are 'no known sales' but I suspect it goes on at a low level from farms.

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Big Dave — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:53:13 GMT

I really doubt the book would convince me. I feel so much better ever since I switched to an all-natural diet rich in animal proteins. My heartburn's gone, I'm losing weight, I'm sleeping better, and I NEVER get sick when I stick to my eating plan. If your vegan lifestyle works for you, then great, I'm truly happy for you. But you will have a difficult time making a believer out of me (or most of the rest of us for that matter).

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box turtle — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:40:42 GMT

Can Raw Milk be frozen and retain it's nutritional benefits? I have to travel 2.5 hours to buy it and I can't make the trip every week. Any experience out there with storage?

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Freedom — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:28:54 GMT

I thought I read somewhere, where dairy cattle are free from BSE, is this correct ?

If not, then what is the risk of contracting BSE from raw milk ?

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legaltender — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:21:15 GMT

Government has the power to protect society, but it cannot protect you against your will, otherwise you would be a ward of state, and this would not be a free country. To get raw milk, customers of a dairy must waive their right to protection of government. I have used this method to promote cures for cancer.

Recently, the FTC attacked my website for making false and misleading statements about cures for cancer, and I replied that the terms of use of my website require that readers waive their right to the protection of government, or leave. This removes the basis of governments power which is the protection of society, while leaving my right to freedom of the press; or in the case of milk, the pursuit of happiness and health. As human beings, we have the natural-law right to perform any and every act, as long as we cause no harm to society or 3rd persons.

To see how I did it, see the terms of use at www.Hidden-Cancer-Cures.com. For a complete legal theory, see the articles at www.hiddencures.com/Articles/natural-law-papers.htm. Yes, the FTC left me alone which I count as success.

Richard

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gallicgirl — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:46:22 GMT

Interesting to read that raw milk is "catching on" in the UK. As an expat Brit currently living in the US, I think it's a shame it's so difficult to obtain raw milk. Back in England, between 1975 and 1984-5 (when our local farmer retired, we had raw ("green top") milk delivered to our door daily in glass bottles. The milk was excellent, from tuberculin/brucillosis tested cattle (a requirement to enable the farmer to sell his raw milk, ensuring the milk was free of contamination from those diseases). The cream at the top was as good as any double cream (heavy in the US) and not once did we get sick from consuming it. Bottles were left out for the farmer to collect, sterilise and re-use. What a contrast to the mass-produced, pasteurised, homogenized stuff sold in cartons we found here - in fact, just finding organic milk of any sort when we first moved to the US took some doing. Hopefully, more people will start to realize the benefits of dairy produce from small farmers where the cattle graze on pasture which has not been chemically treated. I for one will continue to drink raw milk whenever I can, from farmers who care about their animals and their customers!

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Mitch H — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:06:40 GMT

Is anyone familiar with VAT patuerization? Apparently, it's pastuerization using a lower temperature (145 vs. 280), and is used by the Famer's Creamery brand out of Iowa. Does anyone know the nutritional comparison between this type of milk and raw milk?

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Coco Nut — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:39:41 GMT

I live in Maine, and buy 3 gallons of Raw Milk every week. I drink it every day, and so does my 5 year old. When guests come I serve it and don't tell them that it's raw unless they mention it is different (being whole milk, and all). When the kids in the neighborhood com a-callin', when they thirst, I offer them the raw milk, and they love it.

I have a couple of friends who have "drank the kool-aid" and will argue for pasteurization (like they know anything of merit, generally). They can continue to drink the "chemical soup" passed off as milk (along with the health consequences).

I cannot/will not drink pasteurized (or homogenized) milk. I love my raw milk.

While I'm still on my soapbox, here's my 3x weekly morning ritual: 1 teaspoon of unrefined coconut oil. 1 teaspoon of local bee pollen. 2 raw (organic, free-range, local if possible) eggs, and 1 sprouted-wheat (or rice flour) english muffin with real butter and unrefined honey, (or toast) with/without unsweetened peanut butter.

I eat this, and I am not hungry for hours, my mind is clear and I feel great.

Supplements: Saw Palmetto, Salmon OIl, Alfalfa Tablets, Choline/Inositol, and a "Natural"Vitamin E capsule. I might add ginkgo, as an experiment.

Ciao!