Could This be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

re: Could This be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

rosepotl — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:27:07 GMT

if belly fat and inflammation are caused by the same thing, how then can you get rid of both if you have rhuematiod? I have tried everything! I eat well. Have tried high protien and fat(the right kinds), and now my doctor wanted me to try low protein, high complex carbs, of course both were with lots of veggies. With the low protein he also suggested cortisone, low doses 5mg twice a day. It seemed to help at first but not anymore. It seemed better for about 5 weeks and then got bad again. I use the Rife machine for rh, I exercise 3 to 4 times a week, I take quality supplements including lots of krill, D3 and many many more. I have had all my silver amalgems replaced with bio compatible materiels, had IV's for heavy metal removal and I am about to give up. I have spent in excess of 50,000 to have a big fat belly, otherwise quite thin, and rh getting worse every day!

re: Could This be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

BeeSee — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:07:44 GMT

Isn't visceral fat important to your organs? I thought it provided a cushion to the organs.

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ngakas — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:58:09 GMT

The article was interesting because visceral fat is seen so often

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Shelli K — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:32:04 GMT

Try explaining this to my wonderful yet stubborn husband who thinks the main stream media is right and natural, holistic, non-conventional is wrong. UGH! talk about frustration.

I worry about his health and I am trying to slowly change his eating habits but that in and of itself is a MAJOR challange! I have to try and 'sneak' things in his food. Changing to ground turkey, switching to organic real butter, trying to put coconut oil instead of veggie oil in things when I make them. And when he finds out, boy does he get mad. He's just sooo resistant to change. Oh well, if I can help him to be healthier, it's all worth it in the end!

re: Could This be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

Arizona — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:28:17 GMT

A week ago at 1:30 AM in the morning, I was rushed to the hospital because I was having a heart attack. I turned 54 the day before and have no problems. My weight is good, good cholesterol numbers and HDL and LDL are in check.No plaque or atheroscslerosis. I juice with fruit and veggies and take supplements. The docs are dumbfounded as to why. I now sport 3 stents and there would have been a fourth, if they could get it in. The moral.........you just never know. The only possible factor.....my dad had 2 heart attacks,

re: Could This be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

Kestrel — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:21:30 GMT

This not news.

We have known for years that fat was actually an organ and produces inflammatory cytokines.

re: Could This be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

curious7 — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:01:46 GMT

Check into www. hacres.com. there is help there for us all. At the same time nothing can replace go old exercise. An exercise 4-5 times a week that speeds the heart rate, for about 45 minute, to an hour each session. Park your vehicle, ride your bike, walk America, for continued good health. But never, never forget the basics, fresh air, sunshine, good balanced meals, clean water, exercise, and a good spiritual posture.

re: Could This be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

Beccadog — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:13:58 GMT

That's what I would like to know. I've been eating mostly top vegetables and fruit, with minimal whole grains, including oats and those sparingly. Yet, since my surgeries from two damaging falls, my good leg and overall body has become inflammed. Of course, my bad leg is also inflammed. But, the good leg wasn't bigger than the bad leg prior to the surgery.

Additionally, artificial joints have a new set of problems, they damage one's immune system. The surgeon ordered the taking of antibiotics before going to the dentist, or before certain medical procedures. But, a common foot fungus picked up at the pool, led to a staph infection and more pharms. The infection returned for three months, and finally went away. I have to be extremely careful of infections, which were not a problem prior to the surgeries.

But, the inflammation is still present.

re: Could This be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

Beccadog — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:24:34 GMT

"The researchers found that treating the mice with pioglitazone, a diabetes drug, was able to calm the inflammation and stop the atherosclerosis."

If this drug is so good, what are the side-effects? Radom searches found that data was missing. But, then I uncovered an article in the British Medical Journal (BMJ 2004;329:429 (21 August), doi:10.1136/bmj.329.7463.429), whose bottom line was its title: "Fatal liver failure associated with pioglitazone'

"A 63 year old white man with no history of alcohol misuse was admitted to hospital with jaundice after feeling unwell for three weeks. Three months before, doctors changed his gliclazide to pioglitazone. He had also taken lercanidipine for some years and a cephalosporin antibiotic for a few days. He developed encephalopathy and acidosis 36 hours after admission and doctors transferred him to intensive care.

He had no stigmata of chronic liver disease, and hepatitis surface antigen, hepatitis A IgM, and hepatitis C antibody were negative. Ultrasound images showed normal parenchymal reflectivity with patent vessels and no biliary dilatation. When stabilised, doctors transferred him to the regional liver unit. He died nine days later....the changes could be drug induced damage superimposed on chronic liver disease related to diabetes, and the time scale indicates that pioglitazone is the likely cause."

www.bmj.com/.../429

Bottom line is that pharmaceutical drugs are not without harm even when directions are followed precisely. Prevention is a much sounder policy.

re: Could This be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

Dr Rik — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:22:59 GMT

Southern man comes home from a doctor check-up

wife "how did it go, honey?"

(add southern drawl)

"goood nooz honeee, the doctuh sez ahm im..po...tent!"

re: Could This be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

Persephone — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:29:32 GMT

A 54 year old man I know quite well has a large "beer-belly". This man eats whatever he wants and in any quantity he desires. He drinks five bottles of wine and four ounces of hard liquor each week. His medical tests, cholesterol, blood pressure, EKG, etc. are all normal and he does not exercise. His doctor does not counsel him to lose weight, exercise or in any other way deal with his "problem". This man is happy, contented with life. Apparently, you can have it all.

From the standpoint of statistics, this man should be in big trouble, but he is not. How reliable, then, are these "studies" when we asked to apply their "results" to any individual's situation? Not very.

re: Could This Be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

debshell — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:42:17 GMT

Very interesting. How would you reduce this inflamation?

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DrBobSager — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:02:39 GMT

I think there is a step before this one that really starts the process. Yale School of Medicine recently showed that the first tissue in the body to become insulin resistant is not fat but muscle. This made a lot of sense to me and I now show my patients how not exercising and eating too much sugar leads first to insulin resistant muscles cells that will not take up that sugar appropriately, then the sugar is stored as fat as a result of the insulin resistance. The increasing fat mass then starts releasing inflammatory signals to the whole body and circulation and other tissue damage accelerates to the inevitable trainwreck.
Reversing this train-wreck requires proper muscle exercise, anti-inflammatory food choices, supplements, commitment and no drugs.

re: Could This Be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

miragemama — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 04:45:18 GMT

Got belly fat? Get a tummy tuck. Throw in some Liposuction as well. Increase your health through your plastic surgeon......LOL! I actually wonder though if any study has been done with the health correlations of having/not having a tummy tuck. With a huge slab of toxic, hormone laden fat being removed from your body it would seem like it would be a health benefit. Yes a TTuck is a major surgery and has complications. Belly fat also has serious complications as well. Lets get some fat mice for the study and start crunching numbers......

re: Could This Be the Missing Link Between Belly Fat and Heart Disease?

David VanOsdol — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:56:48 GMT

I have learned from a very reliable source that belly fat in men is linked to impotence. The belly fat actually turns free testoserone into estrogen which plugs the receptors where free testosterone lands when it is time for sexual action.

I have also learned that excess fat is retained as a defense mechanism to store Acidic waste and toxins when they are not flushed out of the body by drinking Alkaline water. Most all of the bottled waters on the market are acidic and do nothing to detox on a cellular level. Disease thrives in an acidic body.

Vegans and raw foodists try to become alkaline by eating only vegan and raw and then walk around drinking on a bottle of the latest and greatest comercial water (more expensive than gasoline) which is negating all the benefit of the strict and often unhealthy diet that they are on. There is lots of great information at http://www.wholelifewater.com about how the Japanese have been using Alkaline drinking water in their hospitals for over 30 years as a primary healing modality.

They even use it in vegetable greenhouses, organic gardens and golf courses rather than chemical herbacides and pestacides.

Of course their economic infrastructure is not run by the chemical and pharmacutical indrustrial complex.

Bottom line, many people have found that by alkalizing the body with restructured anti-oxidant alkaline water, excess fat goes away as soon as the toxic waste is flushed away. The body is then able to return to it's natural healthy state without the use of artificial chemical prescription drugs.