Puberty at the Age of 8

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

saveme — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:04:07 GMT

Hi I am new on this so not sure what to write. I live in New Zealand and i have a five yr old daughter and she got her first bleed christmas day and another one six weeks later. Specialist has measured her height at 7 and a half and breast delevelopment at 10 years age. She is having a lot of tests done but he is 95 percent sure it is puberty with the exception of no hair under arms yet. We eat fairly healthy, she drinks filtered water. no soy, she goes for bike rides with me most nights, but i do use plastic containers and she does drink alot of milk. Any way we are also getting the moods with it. anyone got any ideas on what i could do/use to help with this

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

Rachel/Esther — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:23:25 GMT

It can't be a very simple reason. My menarche was aged 11years, in 1951 in UK. Most of my classmates were similar. My best friend started when 8yo [ie 1948]. The latest in our school year was 14yo.

Suburban living. Local produce in season; little plastic; no arial spraying; no Teflon, no filtered water; no Fluoride, no dental fillings.

Worrying will not be helpful, and adding pharmaceuticals is not a good idea.

Oestrogens have multiple functions in the body [an orchestral conductor], which is why oestrogen lack has so many deleterious effects, eg osteoporosis, dry skin and mucosa, vascular instability, reduced mentation health, greater susceptibilty to cardiovascular disease and cancer development.

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

Margaux — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:29:55 GMT

Does anyone care to comment on whether light is a factor?

Those who have early developed daughters, was their environment totally dark or was there a lot of light where they slept? A night light?

I am not saying all these other things are not someting we should change as well. But everyone seems to be so angry at soy and food additives that they want to blame it for everything. What if light were a factor as well? That is something within our control, though it is a hassel to make the room dark.

By the way there are suppliments that protect the body from excess estrogen.

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

Mattrock 60 — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:28:06 GMT

I just wanted to comment on lactose intolerance. Dr. Hulda Clark once told me that much of the lactose intolerance is actually caused by bacteria that survive pasteurization. Since the enzymes are already destroyed in pasteurization, a good test is to boil the milk for 3 minutes. After cooling it, drink it and see if the symptoms of LI are still present. I have recommended this to several LI people and both of them were able to tolerate the sterilized milk. Alternatively, buying ultra-pasteurized organic milk might have the same results. Note that the expiration dates on most organic ultra-pasteurized milk is much longer than non-organic milk.

One confirmation that pasteurization does not kill all the bacteria is in the fact that normal milk spoils within 5 to 7 days in the refrigerator. Sterilized milk will normally last 6 to 8 weeks.

I agree with Dr. Mercola that raw organic milk is likely the most nutritious form of non-human milk.

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

marge201_203 — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:35:49 GMT

speaking of sexually suggestive, how many preteens and teens saw that ridiculous Victoria Secrets super bowl commercial! totally tasteless. what a turn-off. They should be ashamed of themselves.

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

Suzanne Giraud — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:30:03 GMT

Excuse me for upsetting the apple-cart here. I am a 61 yr white (?) female and if breast development is an indicator of reaching puberty, well I started at the age of 8.25 yrs with menstruation starting at 11.25 yrs. I have always been totally and vibrantly HEALTHY and it was a norm within my parental side of the family, with my aunts (Papa's sisters) having also begun "puberty" around 8 yrs. My ancestry is French, for the record - with upbringing in Australia; i.e., very conscious of what is healthy for ME.. Conclusion: Live to the best for YOU. If something doesn't add value to YOUR personal evolution: "file 13" (dustbin it)!

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

GoddessWoman — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:56:58 GMT

My daughter is 10. I will be lucky if I get to her 11th birthday with out her menses starting. Her Grandmother started at 10. My Grandmother started at 10.

Both women grew up in very healthy environments, unaffected by the toxins we have in our environment.

That was just their natural time to start.

The idea that everyone needs to be 12 before starting is ridiculous. While I agree that it is crazy to think that 7 or 8 is the new 12, the reality is that normal has always been a range between 9 and 12.

Some girls may start earlier. Some girls may start later. I had a friend that didn't start until she was 17. Was that abnormal?? No. It was her natural time to start.

There is no denying that we are bombarded daily by chemicals, cell phone and other electromagetic signals, poor nutrition due to soil depletion, etc.

But lets not all freak out because we have stats available to us now that we didn't have 25 years ago.

It was hardly something people discussed openly in the '50s, but I am willing to bet that there were a fair number of girls starting at 8 years back then too.

Don't think it is an epidemic because doctors/etc with an agenda tell you it is true.

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

miles shaler — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:50:43 GMT

Chemical Flouride is definitely connected to changes in development. Studies in Ireland have determined that Chemical Flouride, that which is added to water supplies in America and parts of the UK is responsible for primary bone cancers in males between the ages of 12 to 19 whne they have consumed it between the ages of 6 and 10. Why wouldn't it affect some in other ways. Mass medication of any sort contravenes human rights legislation and is a criminal act. With regard to Chemical Flouride, it is added to drinking water all over the US and in the UK yet it is illegal to dump it in the sea....We do nothing to change the poisoning of our brothers and sisters and our children. What, I wonder sometimes, are we made of?

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

curious7 — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:59:49 GMT

Today our diets contain growth hormones, and steroids, not to mention GMOs. Nearly all the flesh we consume, and our dairy products are so polluted with this chemical, and that, we know not what we eat.

Some years back in Purto Rico there was mass hysteria over the fact girls as young as 6 years of age were begining to develope breasts, and grow pubic hair, and the fault was found with the milk these children were consuming. With the rise of the censoring powers of the FDA, most of this was hushed, because of the strong lobbying powers of the Dairy Industry. They fought to stop the labeling of dairy products which do not contain these chemicals. Next the USDA entered into certification of organic foods. This was also a "Crock" because once again these labels were applied on behalf of giant food producers. So once again we have little or no way of knowing what we put in our mouths.

This is why we should do all we can on a local level to stop further farm destruction. Write letters inform your neighbors as to what is at risk, when we turn a farm into a housing development, or shopping center.

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

howsharbell — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:28:34 GMT

I know it's been said above, But my daughter too started breasts at 7, had full pubic and underarm hair at 9 and is now 10 and I'm sure will start her periods soon. She was raised in a very careful environment...vegetarian, totally organic food, very little sugar, all natural personal care products and cleaning supplies, no soy, no dairy except raw cheeses, she is very thin, we only drink RO water, the list goes on...SO my question is, what can I do to at least slow this process and make it more comfortable for her? Is it alright to give her small amounts of progesterone cream to balance out the estrogen dominance?

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

derketchup — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:20:46 GMT

I think part of the factor may be exercise. I was a highly active child -- I biked and walked everywhere, and I ran a lot. I wasn't allowed to watch TV or play video games unless it was raining outside.

I had my first period at 15. I didn't need to wear a training bra until I was almost 14.

I drank tap water. I had vegetables grown in 7 dust. I had more than my fair share of colas and sweets.

I don't think it's necessarily one thing in particular that is leading to this problem. More than likely it is a combination of events: poor diet AND/OR hormone interfering substances AND/OR lack of exercise AND/OR exposure to electronics AND/OR non-organic food....

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

MaxPont — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:05:48 GMT

What do you think parents in the Christian Right think about this?

How would they react to this message:

Your 8 year daughter might enter puberty. Something is wrong and the prime suspects are hidden toxins in your food and environment. These toxins have been allowed to contaminate our bodies because during the last 7 years the Republicans in Washington have been more interested in protecting big corporate interests than public health.

I believe the issue of 8 year girls reaching puberty could be a huge symbolic issue in the election and finally open the eyes for the evangelical voters and make them reluctant to vote for a Republican president.

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

Kae Goldeneagle — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:02:49 GMT

We have created a tower of Babel with all the "chemical advances" in our growing technilogical society. We thought we were doing something "good", but now our children are paying for it. Maybe this is why so many of our children are going through depression and other adverse medical conditions such ADD or ADHD, child diabetes and asthma. Maybe this is why children commit suicide while on "antidepressants". Maybe the chemcial mixtures are actually changing the effects of "ingested" chemicals and do the exact opposite of their intended purposes.

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

CrystalRose — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:12:29 GMT

Since all posts have been dedicated to the diet (rightly so), I want to bring to point something else interesting in this article. While I do believe diet and chemical exposure play a very crucial role in early puberty, emotional health is just as important and impacting on our lives as physical health.

The article suggests "Stress from living in a fatherless household" as a possible cause of early puberty. More impacting may be living in a household with a non-paternal father or being exposed to different men entering the household while mom goes through her "dating stage". The stress alone can hurt a child emotionally, but that may not be why girls hit puberty younger. Is it possible that there is an influence of the "alpha male" in the household? I've read a study that suggests girls with step-fathers are more likely to hit puberty at a younger because of the presence of a non-paternal male in the household. Perhaps it is the the pheromones that trigger the early puberty.

I believe in nature alpha males will dominate all mature females in their territory. Just because we have a society and rules to adhere to, this does not stop the primitive instincts that we as humans (as creatures of nature) still experience. There may be a bigger problem with step-fathers that goes beyond stress. Having an adult male in the household that is not biologically related can lead to severe trauma for young girls. This is not to say that all step-fathers are bad, as some make better fathers than the paternal one. However I feel that having the paternal father in the household may reduce the risk for young girls' problems like early puberty.

My conclusion (from experience) is that puberty seems to happen earlier for girls in the presence of a new father. Instinct-driven step-fathers may be more likely to sexually abuse girls in the household as well. We should not discount natural instinct and how our own chemicals affect our brians (nor should it be used as an excuse).

re: Puberty at the Age of 8

KrisR — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:32:39 GMT

I see a host of likely causes for accumulation of toxic chemicals and hormones in the body, but does anyone have a valid recommendation for flushing some of that out of the system? It seems we can minimize, but not eliminate this situation all together, especially for those of us living in pollution filled metropolitan areas. So, is there some way to offset it by clearing out the body? Would regular detoxing be sufficient? What methods & frequency would work? Is there a vegetable or juice that's effective for this, like for instance wheat grass or garlic or celery juice? Just shooting for a little corrective/preventive action...