Gut Bacteria Mix Predicts Obesity

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NervousFarter — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:06:18 GMT

What puzzles me is the social stigma against breastfeeding. I see so many men ogle over some womans cleavage, yet be disgusted when a woman breastfeeds. I think this stigma (among other things like "doc's recommendations") is ruining generation after generation of babies by encouraging mother to feed their babies formula.

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curious7 — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:24:39 GMT

All of our new medicine has caused us to ignore the basics, like breast feeding, as opposed to formula, which in many cases is full of one sugar or another, and HFC, (high fructose cornsyrup). If you get the chance read the label of Abbott baby formula, it is a joke. But at the same time if the mother has a poor diet, the infant is in trouble as well.

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susyrip — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:54:12 GMT

Unfortunately breastfeeding a baby is not always the answer for having a normal weight baby. All of my 4 children were nursed until between 2 and 3 years of age. None of them have been immunized and they all started off with a fairly healthy diet. My 3 boys are all normal weight, but my daughter is not. She was chubbier than her brothers and never slimmed down to a normal weight. We have an obesity problem in out family. Both my grandparents on my mothers side were very overweight and my two oldest sisters are morbidly obese, along with my three nieces who are also overweight. I am the only one who is close to being in a normal weight range. My metabolism seems to be faster than everyone else. It breaks my heart to see my daughter like this. Unfortunately she's 19 now and does nothing to help herself at this point.

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YARDBIRD — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:08:09 GMT

gmhills, are you doing muscle mass excercises or just cardio? A lot of women are afraid of gaining muscle. Muscle, expecially in the rear-end burns up fat. Women can lift heavy weight with their legs without looking "manley."

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DrDawn — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:16:56 GMT

Many people don't know that C-sections contribute to the problem. When the baby does not pass through the birth canal, swallowing the normal bacteria that are supposed to first colonize the gut, the baby ends up with hospital bacteria colonizing the gut. This is even more of a problem if the mother also does not breastfeed the baby. Sadly, without the proper gut bacteria, these new babies are at greater risk of developing asthma and allergies because of the dysregulation of the immune system. To complicate the situation, infants need Lactobacillus species that produce L(+)-lactic acid because their GI tract isn't fully mature at birth and can't metabolize the D(-) isomer of lactic acid produced by many lactobacilli. Examples of the proper species for babies are: L. rhamnosus, L. casei, L. paracasei, and L. salivarius. Beneficial bifidobacterium species for infants are: B. breve, B. infantis, B. bifidum, and B. longum. Obstetricians in our area of the country have actually been offering C-sections for the mother's (and hospital's) convenience in planning births. Apparently they are unaware of the fact that they may be seriously compromising the immune function and general health of a whole generation right from birth, setting them up for obesity and other problems from the start. This is not to mention the ever-expanding vaccine regimen assault by pediatricians.

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Bachflower — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:10:36 GMT

http://www.guthealth.info

Gut and Psychology Syndrome, Natasha Campbell-McBride

Presentation at Weston A. Price Foundation 2007 conference (on audio through http://www.westonaprice.org, click conf. materials)

Presentation by Campbell-McBride and Donna Gates: www.youtube.com/watch

Make fermented foods and help your friends become cultured:

Dom't Kefir In-site:users.sa.chariot.net.au/.../kefirpage.html

Dom's Kombucha and Vinegar Site: users.sa.chariot.net.au/.../kombucha.htm

http://www.kombucha.org

Body Ecology

Weston A. Price Foundation

Wild Fermentation (Sandor Katz)

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Alro — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:04:54 GMT

so maybe someone here can help me. I purchased a probiotic product from mercola.com about a year ago. I took a few and it made me bloat even worse than then problem I was attempting to address (I'm 39 and in decent shape - I was a junk food eating potato for over a decade and then 4 years ago, I got my act in gear, lost about 30 pounds and have been in much better shape ever since). I had a colonoscopy since my grandfather died of that when he was 40. no problems. But I am a bloat machine. That was never ever ever a problem for me - I used to have an iron stomach and I'm not really familiar with heartburn or indigestion other than bloating. I stopped drinking milk for 2-3 weeks on more than one occasion and avoided dairy but still the bloating continued. I have gone low-carb and eaten only brown rice for 2 weeks (along with fruits and veggies and lean, organic meats). I've tried again, recently, taking the probiotics for about a week and all it does is make the bloating worse. should I keep at it? does it eventually cause the bad flora in my gut to lose out? is there a battle going on in my gut? lol : ) is that's whats causing all of the bloating? anyway, I'm getting to the point of making an appointment to have my stomach checked out at this point. any personal experiences with probiotics would be appreciated. thanks!!!

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nuz — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:33:48 GMT

I have been fighting a "gut bacteria" problem for a few years. YES it's real for all you doubters out there. I was lucky enough to find a great Nurse Practicianer who recognized the problem. I lived on anti-biotics as a child for asthma and then on birth control for years. And a not so healthy diet of too much sugar and grains as most of us do as kids. Now I am retraining my mind about how to my body those things are like poison.

The thing is not enough good bacteria and too much bad can lead to yeast over growth in your gut and then you feel like a peice of bread rising from the middle. It's no fun and not anything I brought on by overeating or not exercising like some people believe. A yeast over growth makes it very difficult or impossible to loose weight and can be a life long struggle.

So for those doubters who look at this as just another excuse - don't ! It's easy to look at others and assume you know why they look the way they do. Thats the problem with this world. You need to look at why you feel the need to judge them because they don't look like you.

Back to the importantance of articles like this because I could not find a "regular" doctor to help me or that would even recognize candida (yeast over growth) as a medical issue. Now I'm on the way to a healthier life with a better diet, probiotics, and yes.. garlic. My advise is if you suspect this is your problem, don't wait. Get healthy !!

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Neil2007 — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:21:15 GMT

Very interesting article. I know Ayurveda has this notion as well. Along the lines of diet recommendation the following site indicates some effectiveness based on scientific trial of green tea, guggul, bitter orange and many supplements listed by Dr. Mercola.

www.rvita.com/.../obesity.html

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vida khan — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:17:34 GMT

I also want to add that I have no doubt that vaccines and antibiotics play a huge role in childhood obesity. Antibiotics for obvious reasons in this article dealing with gut flora. Vaccines because they suppress the immune system and also, many vaccines harm the pancreas which leads to insulin resistance and then to diabetes, which leads to obesity. Just my theory.

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vida khan — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:12:41 GMT

For everyone who thinks fat people are fat because they've made bad choices their whole life, you are all completely right. However, bad choices were only made because of government and medical recommendation. Fat people are always dieting, always trying to lose weight, just in the wrong way, which then makes it worse and makes it even harder. I started off as a slightly pudgy kid and ended up an obese adult even though my mom always followed doctors orders, in our house we only had diet sodas, crackers, lean fish and chicken breast, and all fat free everything else. Never butter. They even took me to dieticians several times who would then put me on 800 calorie a day, high carb, no fat diets and of course I would lose weight, but then gain it all back and plus some. Then as an adult I still struggled to lose weight on these horrible diets, which only made me get fatter and fatter. So, as a child, teenager, and adult, was it really my fault that I was fat?? Eventually, when I stopped listening to doctors and did my own diet, higher cal, higher fat, low carb, I quickly dropped 100+ lbs and have kept it off for years. I still have some weight to lose and am doing it on a candida diet (and exercise of course.)

So fat people are fat because government and doctors keep them fat by giving horrible advice which leads them to make bad choices.

As far as my 11 month old baby goes, he is on a raw milk formula, eats avocados, sweet potatoes and rice (occasionally,) fruit, some meat and chicken, raw cream, butter, olive oil, egg yolks, liver, and takes a great probiotic. I will always keep him on a low carb, high fat, all natural diet so he won't end up the way I did. Unfortunately, I noticed most parents start their babies on grains and juices and sugary foods, but are terrified of giving butter and then switch them to pasteurized fat free milk at 2 years old (doctor recommendation.) So of course there are so many obese children.

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TWS500 — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:53:27 GMT

I have recently heard from an "authoritative source" that "eating garlic" will kill off some healthful bacteria in the gut...(possibly a significant amount of bacteria)... I put the eating garlic in quotes because there was no mention of how much or whether the garlic was cooked or raw... Has anyone heard of this also or know about it...?

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thefarmersdaughter — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:50:49 GMT

curious 26, I would say to you even if that were ALL true;people don`t care how much you know,until they know how much you care. Have a little compassion,most obesity is because of several issues,not just one.

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Curious26 — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:59:37 GMT

Great...now obese people have yet *another* weak excuse for being obese, along with "air conditioning" and the "birth control pill". I don't know how much of a role gut bacteria plays in obesity, but we DO know that a healthy diet and exercise (basically common sense) prevents the vast majority of cases. Think about it...obesity is not simply "fat"...it is morbidly overweight. Obesity generally happens after years of bad habits, not overnight.

So go ahead all of you overweight people...give me a thumbs down...but it doesn't change the truth, which sometimes hurts. Deal with it. The *vast majority* of people are obese, have Type 2 diabetes etc. because of their bad choices in life. You can disagree or even deny it, but most of us know its true...

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enidmck — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:48:24 GMT

It seems that some have misunderstood the part about babies. The articles doesn't say anything about fat babies. It refers to those babies who later become overweight, by age 7. Of course babies are often fat! They're supposed to be. And about yogurt - it's not just the sugary yogurt that's useless. The antibiotics we have today are so strong that even good quality sugar-free yogurt doesn't have anywhere near enough good bacteria to restore the gut.