The Price Scientists Pay For Even Questioning Darwinism

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BigDeanoSyd — Wed, 07 May 2008 04:24:03 GMT

The complaint is that science isn't being open-minded, I state that the creationist crowd would be even less so given the chance, religious dogma would rear its head and jump on any other theory given the chance. More open discussion by all means but give me a world system moderated by science rather than religiosity... oh and I dislike both Ron Paul and John McCain immensely, different from each other though they may be.

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Carl Down Under — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:06:49 GMT

For someone who is so strong on EVIDENCE in his search for the truth I am most disappointed to see that you are subscribing to this kind of folly Dr Mercola. The reason ID is not taken seriously by the scientific community is that it lacks any EVIDENCE. Saying this is too complicated to have happened naturally from my limited scientific knowledge is not EVIDENCE. Giving this a more complex reason such as a supernatural being for which there is no EVIDENCE does not solve the problem of origin. Now you need to explain what created this natural being. Where are you going to find evidence for that???

The planet is loaded with evidence that an evolutionary process has occurred before our time. Both in fossils and DNA. Should I ignore this?

Considering the number of responses I'd be surprise if you see this one, but after joining your mailing list right near the beginning it's now time for me to move on and unsubscribe.

It truly is hard to find people who are satisfied with just EVIDENCE and the facts they reveal. I don't care if there are gods. All I want to know is the truth, but I'm satisfied to know that some things are too complicated or too hard to find for us to ever know.

See www.expelledexposed.com for a little more sanity.

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gentalsoul — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:37:13 GMT

Pb, explain to me why calling it "cherry picking". is bigoted? Sedial , as far as I have seen has been kind, constructive and respectful, thus far. Someone please show me a Christian in modern times who stoned to death anyone for their beliefs. Comments like that doesn't help this debate "evolve". The anger, mocking and venom is ever present in these debates on evolution/creationism. Usually the mud slinging is directed at the Christian theology no matter how gentle one presents his/her self nor what side of the debate you are on. Christ told us it would be this way. The problem with quoting the bible to a non-believer is they will not understand the complete meaning of what is written such as "Darkness is offended by the light." Even that statement will be misunderstood to mean that I am saying you are of inferior intellect. But, that is not what I mean.

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Masonsmama — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:37:11 GMT

I just need to say that someone who is not a Christian, is not necessarily a god-hater. One point of this article is for all to have a right to search and explore, to have a say. Many of the comments I have read do the same as this article is stating darwinists do... only you are on the other side of the spectrum. To you, if one is not Christian- one is not worthy. I am not Christian, nor am I of any religious following. I do, however, believe in the power of the universe and life, I believe all things are connected, I believe in the power of "mind over matter", I practice EFT and other "alternative medicines", I believe 100% in personal responsibility. I believe in spiritual principles like honesty, open-mindedness and willingness. I am tired of their only being "two" ways---Christian or Darwin. Instead of looking at how everybody else is wrong, lets look at ourselves. That is, afterall, the "idea" behind personal responsibility. It's easy to point the finger "see see-what you god-haters are doing"... just remember, for every finger pointed, there are 3 pointing right back at you...(your own three BTW). I clean my side of the street, and do my best to inform/educate when people are attracted to what I am doing. This post is a little preachy, but I felt the need, as a non-Christian, but spiritual person, to speak up.

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geo1110 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:50:18 GMT

Richard Dawkins did not "crash" the pre-screening of the film. He and PZ Myers applied ahead of time for the screening.

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jomarex — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:43:35 GMT

The reason those people are being ridiculed is that EVERYBODY KNOWS that "Intelligent Design" is RELIGION -- NOT SCIENCE. This is just the latest attempt of the Religious Right to impose their brand of religion on us all, to smother science with religion. How many millions of $$$ did they spend on marketing to come up with and implement this sneaky movie idea?... They just keep twisting ideas around until it *sounds* like they make sense, and too many people fall for it.

This is not about "open-mindedness". Oh, but they try so hard to make you feel guilty for not letting them "explore the possibility" that their idea of god is totally personally responsible for everything.

This is the second time I've seen this religious crap on Mercola.com. Dr. Mercola's credibility is quite low for me, now. When there is a religious agenda, truth is always sacrificed to the dogma -- and there is the real danger. Remember the Dark Ages? It can happen again...

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sdvma — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:53:00 GMT

Ah, I'm not sure if it's just me, but did any of you notice how Dr Mercola is trying to swing support for the movie and it's views, by linking it to valid health issues and his own political view re Ron Paul?

So, according to Mercola, if you disagree with this movie, you somehow are condoning the suppression of important and real health knowledge?

Thus if you disagree with this movie you somehow are in league with those who want to keep us in the dark about important issues to us all.

It does a great disservice to his good work and reputation in health.

Stick to health - leave religion/theories of god/rightwing politics and other irrelevant topics to shock jock radio.

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TimW_203 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:29:25 GMT

xyzsch says there is evidence against the earth being a mere 6000 years old. Bishop Usher is usually cited as having got that one wrong, ergo christians are wrong. But the genealogy tables from Genesis which he used to arrive at his figure simply state how old humanity is, not the earth. I don't know of any evidence which puts man as we know him; a maker of cities, writing, and clearly human artefacts, any further back than 8000 BC. So the bishop wasn't too far away from the truth. If you walked into ancient Jericho, or Catal Huyuk, you'd feel pretty much at home after a week or two, as they were recognisably the same people as we are today. No-one would dispute that those individuals were human; but the same cannot be said of the Neandertals, the Lucys, the Cro-Magnons, etc, who may well have shared a body type with us, whilst lacking the breath of God into it, and who probably do go back a few aeons.

Furthermore, this idea that dinosaur bones are put there to test one's faith, which is absurd, is indicative again of a failure to realise that the Bible at no point says that the creation of earth is a recent phenomenon; just the creation of man.

Quite a lot is said about how ridiculous it is to believe that the world was created in a week; but the bible says that a thousand years is as a day to God. Our modern literalist minds would probably be happier if He had said "Ten Zillion Years" but I think the point being made is pretty straightforward, and has to be understood in a context that in those days, and even today, people think very much in the "one, two, three, four...many.... style. I suspect that they didn't even have a bigger number than a thousand.

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Macebass — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:35:36 GMT

There is no evidence of intelligent design. And without evidence....it's not science! Rather, it is religion. There is certainly a place for religion in culture and society, however it should not be presented as science. On the contrary, there is ample evidence that mechanical processes shape and change organisms. The fact that this has occurred is exactly that...a fact. The mechanism by which it has occurred as Darwin presented it is a theory known as "Speciazation through Natural Selection." A rough outline about how this has occurred is presented in the fossil record, however the details of a process that takes millions of years may never be precisely known. If one observes bacteria one can observe the basic tenets of evolution in a matter of hours as they can go through generations much quicker than more complex organisms (hours/vs. millions of years). One can assume that the mechanical processes by which bacteria and viruses change and evolve also apply to multicellular organisms as well it just takes longer. Ever heard of drug resistant bacteria? Do you believe in it? If so then you believe in evolution because the bacteria evolved to survive exposure to the drug. The individuals that were killed by the drug did not pass on their genetic traits and the ones that randomly (DNA changes often occur randomly, cancer would be an example) mutated to survive such exposure carry on their genetic traits making that strain drug resistant. There is no where in the fossil record nor has it ever been demonstrated in the lab that a supernatural being planned this all out. Saying that "there is no way life could have happened without divine intervention" is not evidence and should not be presented as science. Everyone is entitled to believe what they wish but let us call religion as religion and science as science. If we are going to mix the two we need to change the definition of science to be a system of beliefs that may or may not be supported by evidence.

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OrganicPotatoChips — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:52:36 GMT

WOW

I say Kudos to him for bringing up such a controversial issue! And kudos to you, Dr Mercola.

I'll be at the theatres, no doubt.

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GloJ — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:51:21 GMT

Thank you very much, Dr. Mercola. I appreciate your bringing up this issue - knowing that it is not the popular or politically correct thing to say that Creationism or Intelligent Design might exist. I don't understand why some people are so rabidly opposed to the idea. Where are the free thinkers who want to explore every aspect before making an informed decision?

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disciple4Jesus — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:56:45 GMT

Many people get into religion and Satan loves that he is not against religion but a relationship with Jesus Christ.People all have a God hole in them and they are alwaysd trying to fill it with something else but it never satisfies only God can fill that hole when we ask him to come into our lives realize we are sinners in need of a Saviour. The Bible has been proven over and over and yet many people choose evolution why? Lifestyles they dont want to think they are going to stand before a Holy and just God and give a account of there life.What people cant understand they get mad at look at the Pharisees in the Bible they couldnt understand that Jesus was the Messiah and he was the only way into heaven what did they do ? crucify him!!! By the way evolution is a theory the Bible is fact ==anybody read the case for Christ.The man tried to take it apart and disprove it instead it took him apart and he had no other choice but to choose Christ.Takes alot of faith to believe in evolution everything just came together. I told a atheist lets build a house you get some two by fours and I will too you keep throwing them up and see if they come down as a house I will think and design mine lets see which one gets done first.The Gospel of Jesus Christ is offensive many people hate it just for the simple fact there is only one way and that is through Gods only begotten Son Jesus Christ John 14;6 We are salt and light of the world salt burns when we hear Gods words yes it hurts and light exposes what who we really are sinners capable of any sin in the book ouch!!I surrendered 27 years ago I have never regetted a minute of becoming a Christian and servant for my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,when I repented ask him to forgive me I was forgiven of my sins and they were forgotten forever--Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved Praise God what a saviour!!!

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Cathyblj — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:22:09 GMT

Am I so far below Novice User that I am not allowed to Reply to any comments? My replies keep disappearing.

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PaulMartinDC — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:34:55 GMT

I've always felt that both evolution and creation were both active processes and were in fact, one and the same thing. Evolution might in fact simply be creationism on a constant, current continuum. That's my theory. Don't have any proof, just seems to make sense to me. Have a good day all!

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drclark — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:25:37 GMT

I am stunned that Dr. Mercola would seriously promote a movie designed to question the theory of evolutiuon. I have been impressed with the quality of health information in this newsletter, but it now makes me doubt this information if the same thought process is used that was the one used to promote this movie.

After this it will be hard to Dr. Mercola seriously. He is obviously not versed in evolutionary theory and did fact check the sources of this movie. It is the same strategy the oil companies use to challenge global warming, get a few suits to cast doubt on some thing that 99.9% of the scientific community believes in.

The Dr. should stick to health and medicine. Evolutionary theory is used every day to make predictions that stand the test of time. The Naturalists believed in creationalism but evolution fit their data better which is why the switch was made - it was and is data driven.

It is not an atheist conspiracy, that is simply crazy