Vaccine-Autism Question Divides Parents, Scientists

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Robin M. — Tue, 06 May 2008 00:13:05 GMT

OK, isn't there a pretty clear answer to all of this? It appears that Sweden stopped vaccinating with mercury in the 1990's. Did rates of autism dramatically decline, stay the same, or continue to increase like in the US? Are there any official studies available as to the issue?

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florabalance — Sat, 03 May 2008 21:30:33 GMT

Vaccination appears to be just one of a number of contributing factors to autism (and to mercury exposure).

A new study linked for the first time in scientific literature—a statistically significant association between autism risk and distance from the mercury source (power plants, cement plants etc.)

Two significant findings that I noted were:

* Found that community autism prevalence is reduced by 1 percent to 2 percent with each 10 miles of distance from the pollution source.

* For every 1,000 pounds of mercury released by Texas power plants in 1998, there was a corresponding 3.7 percent increase in autism rates in Texas school districts in 2002.

A summary is available here:

www.sciencedaily.com/.../080424120953.htm

It is also significant in that it appears to establishes a direct connection between mercury and autism, thus confirming the contribution of vaccination preservatives. But it is more complex than just vaccines.

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jacques — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:44:53 GMT

My concern with many doctors of today is that they are amazingly ignorant of rather simple diagnostic tools, and they seem to have no concept of the dangers they can put patients in by the way they practice. Our lives are in their hands, for God's sake, they should treat us accordingly. I don't know why doctors are so casual with the patient's health, if it's greed, laziness, brain washing by the profession and the pharmaceutical companies, or just plain ignorance. But the ones that I have encountered are prescription happy, and do not want to hear that the patient does not want to get on a prescription, and certainly do not want to spend the time to look at alternatives.

It's not easy to find genuine alternative doctors in my area, and those that say they are are often fibbing, if not worse. So, as a patient, I have to be firm in my commitment to stay off the poisons of prescription, and, oh yes, to be firm in not getting flu shots every season (I've had a one day flu event in the last 30 years, and no flu shots.). This does not make it easy to work with a doctor, because often their hardheadedness and inability to accept that their way may not be the right way. gets in the road of real health, not drug induced "so-called" health. I have little faith in the profession, but if an emergency comes up, yikes, I have to go under their care. It's scary!

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tamale102280 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:35:16 GMT

I used to have respect for this website, I have completely lost it. Not vaccinating your children puts other children at significant risk for getting illnesses that have not been seen for decades. Currently in the metro milwaukee area we are experiencing an outbreak of measels and rubella. If you choose not to have your children vaccinated that is your choice, but then your kids need to be separated from the others because I'm not going to chance my child getting sick from something that should have been irradicated. Your belief is selfish and you should be ashamed that you are putting other people's children at risk.

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tra71 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:23:32 GMT

I don't doubt that vaccines can "trigger" autism or be the tipping point, but I would argue that they are not the "cause" of it. What about children who don't get vaccines and develop autism. As others have spoke about on this discussion board, I belieive that it has to do with the health of the gut/immune system.

My son goes to speech therapy once per week and there is an occupational therapist in the same building. I see a woman every week that takes her little 3 year old boy to O.T. at the same time my little guy goes to Speech and her boy has autism. I asked her one day if she felt that vaccines triggered his autism and her reply was that she didn't vaccinate her son. She said he always had very bad allergies and noticed a slow decline after a bout a illness around 18 months old; then when he was a little over 2 y.o. he had really bad ear infections and was put on antibiotics and that sent him over the edge, within two weeks of taking the antibiotics he lost most of his skills (speech, walking, responsiveness, etc).

I think a lot has to do with diet and exposure to toxins causing immune systems to overreact to everything.

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jack6 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:48:21 GMT

autism is a gut problem and should be addressed as so. Babies coming out of their mothers womb intestines are compromised due to the mother not having the right amount of good bacteria in her womb. so when vacines are given tho the baby or child they just can't handle it. Please see www.youtube.com search for "autism diet" you will come across Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride, author of "Gut and Psychology Syndrome" and Donna Gates of "body ecology". Their children had autism, but no longer have it because they were put on a gluten and casen free diet, given super probiotics, etc. Please see a 10 page excerpt of Dr. Campbell-mcbride's book in Nourishing Traditions (catalog) volume 8, number 4, winter 2007 it is very very informative and helpful. You may find it at the westion a price foundation website at www.westonaprice.org. Dr. Campbelll-McBride will present an all day workshop on the gut ans psychology syndrome at Wise traditions 2008, the ninth annual conference of the weston a. price foundation, to be held at the Hyatt San Francisco Airport, Burlingame, California, November 7-10 2008.

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nirvana7 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:22:33 GMT

It has become undeniably obvious that we have been overwhelmed by a capitalist medical industry whose main focus and concern has drifted away from the common good. Should the common good truly be influenced by a capitalist driven industry or a medically focused profession? For the sake of our children, the latter of the two obviously makes more sense! We need to put forth the time and effort to protect ourselves from becoming an experiment by becoming more educated and more vocal.

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jmills616 — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:15:37 GMT

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healthyRD — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:15:22 GMT

We are quickly becoming the richest 3rd world county in the world, how sad!

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florabalance — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:20:30 GMT

A new study just released shows for the first time in scientific literature—a statistically significant association between autism risk and distance from the environmental polluting mercury source.

2 significant conclusions from the study:

- For every 1,000 pounds of mercury released by Texas power plants in 1998, there was a corresponding 3.7 percent increase in autism rates in Texas school districts in 2002.

- Autism prevalence diminished 1 percent to 2 percent for every 10 miles from the source.

Summary at www.sciencedaily.com/.../080424120953.htm

Autism is apparently not just caused by vaccination but vaccination would seem to surely be a contributing factor given the established connection with mercury exposure.

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vita_min_md — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:40:20 GMT

I have never heard or seen any one develop polio in the US in the last 20 years. If you are going to quote such dramatic medical data you had better back it up with the documentation, or else its just so much internet rumors and "I heard it from my friend who knew the guy"

With all the poisons and toxins in the world today how on earth could you possibly link any illness to trace mercury in a vaccination. Maybe its arsenic from all the coal fired power plants. we have created a world where I am not sure it is possible to know.

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vita_min_md — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:32:15 GMT

These vaccines are just as safe as any other intervention in conventional or alternative medicine. Certainly safer than riding a 4 wheeler or eating at McDonalds!!

I do not know of a single person of thousands who believes vaccines hurt their child. But it is a free country and if you don't want to be vaccinated I do believe that is your choice. You will likely be protected by herd immunity anyways.

I have seen an Amish child contract tetanus, what a terrible thing, but interestingly enough they immediately embraced convetional medicine and this child was in the hospital in an induced coma for over 12 weeks. The herbalist they were getting their advice from didn't have a treatment for that what ailed her then. The hospital bill was well over $250 thousand. All for lack of a $50 tetanus series.

And to be critical of a researcher for where he gets his funds seems almost humorous in this forum, do you folks think Dr. Mercola isn't making any money from the supplements, books, and seminars he offers on this site? Would that not a clear conflict of interest also?

Oh but you like what he is saying so you look the other way on that one. Or is it that you want to believe he has the best interests of the public in mind. Hmm maybe those other researchers do too, and they just have a different opinion from yours...

One thing I know for sure, if we could get folks to eat just one half as well as Dr. Mercola suggests we would not have half the health care crisis we do in America.

Corn is king and it is killing all of us.

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KAC — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:06:59 GMT

A freeway roadside sign indicated a child is diagnosed with Autism every 20 minutes. How sad that we allow this. This is an alarming rate.

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D-Lynn — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:02:09 GMT

Wasn't it brought to light that the guy in Britian who brought this information forward was working in conflict and was actually paid off by anti-vaccine people.

It seems that British parents believed this guy and didn't give their children Measles, Mumps or Rubella vaccine and now there are ALOT of children and babies in the United Kingdom who have serious side effects from having one of these diseases. Some died and others are living with permanent disabilities for the rest of their life because they got one of these diseases. Yuck!

Getting the disease and risking permanent side effects does not sound like anything I would want my children or grandchildren to have.

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D-Lynn — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:55:23 GMT

Vaccines in Canada are different from those in the US. They have less thimerosal. As different agents or preservatives seem to be a possible issue, the manufactures are using less of them in the products. More vaccines are made with less preservatives and/or less thimerosal. Overall new information is a good thing to make things better for everyone. I would hate to get a bacteria in a vaccine because a company decided not to put that a specific preservative (that stops bacteria) in the vaccine. Yikes !

Every year the manufactures are improving the ways and decreasing or changing the ingredients for the better. Canada has vaccines with way less thimerosal than the Us.