SPECIAL UPDATE: Canadian Bill STILL Poses a Threat to Natural Health Consumers

re: SPECIAL UPDATE: Canadian Bill STILL Poses a Threat to Natural Health Consumers

HLTH4U — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:51:24 GMT

I agree with Evan Johnso, Dr. Mercola, that it is important that you be certain of your facts before you write. I have been a Mannatech Distributor for 5 years and there is NO WAY that Mannatech has any ties with the pharmaceutical industry. Mannatech is on the same page you are in fighting big Pharma. There products are not sythetic, but whole food and preservative free. I was shocked to see that you listed their name in your list of culprits. Where are your facts? Yes, it would be much better if you did more research in the future before writing untruths.

re: SPECIAL UPDATE: Canadian Bill STILL Poses a Threat to Natural Health Consumers

Rick2012 — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:05:48 GMT

Mr. Clement You Must Resign as Health Minister Statements proceeding from MPs offices, Justice Canada and Health Canada are indicating that seizures under Sections 22 and 23 of Bill C-51 are legal and just under Canadian law. The following case law from the Supreme Court and Federal Court trial division refute warrantless seizures and declare them to be illegal. As follows: 1) In the Supreme Court of Canada 1950, The Lord Nelson Hotel Case. Unanimous decision, Chief Justice Rinfret presiding "The Constitution of Canada does not belong either to Parliament, or to the Legislatures; it belongs to the country and it is there that the citizens of the country will find the protection of the rights to which they are entitled." Parliament does not have the authority to enact law in violation of the Constitution . This constitutes an act of treason. Further section 52(1) of the Constitution act states: "The Constitution of Canada is the supreme law of Canada and any law that is inconsistent with the provisions of the Constitution is to the extent of the inconsistency, of no force or effect." Health Canada’s enforcement policy ignores the courts, the Charter of Human Rights and violates the rights of citizens by unlawfully seizing Natural Health Products without court authority (warrant). In 1987 Jamison (vitamins) sued Health Canada in the Federal Court of Canada over a seizure that had taken place in 1984. As follows: 2) In The Federal Court of Canada, C.E. Jamison and Co. vs. Canada 1987, Justice Muldoon presiding. The stated decision of the court was: "...the seizure of articles conducted on December 17, 1984, by the defendant Director, and the inspectors, officials and any other public servants who were then members of his staff or otherwise authorized to effect such seizures, was and is illegal, null and void in particular, in that said seizure was unreasonable and contravened section 8 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms" Heath Canada continues to violate the Charter by ignoring this court ruling and breaking the law. Now Minister Clement would put in place legislation that was already declared illegal and unconstitutional. In reviewing Bill C-51 there are numerous infractions of the Canadian Charter of Human Rights. Sect. 2(b). freedom of expression and communication Sect. 7. the right to life, liberty and security of the person Sect. 8. protection from unlawful search and seizure. Sect. 15(1). equality without discrimination. We are demanding the resignation of Tony Clement for attempting an act of treason against the citizens of Canada. Any MP voting for this unlawful bill is an enemy to the country and its citizens. Many immigrants come to our Canada to escape what this government is now forcing upon its citizens.

re: SPECIAL UPDATE: Canadian Bill STILL Poses a Threat to Natural Health Consumers

Rick2012 — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:05:18 GMT

This can be done just by publishing the rules in the Canada Gazette, and then having it signed into law. One has to wonder why such a clause has been added to this bill. Looking for the answer raises issues that go beyond the actual content of this bill. It sheds light on the extreme punitive measures it sets up about which Harper saw fit to brag in a radio sound-byte. To summarily ram this through by making benign nutrient based products into drugs is the height of arrogance given that the Health Canada can't even deal with so many toxic drugs that are constantly being foisted on the unsuspecting not to mention those that already exit. Why are not such Draconian actions taken when these drugs kill hundreds if not thousands? As my representative I am not interested in excuses such as the inability to study the issue and hence rely on the party line which naturally is supported by some regulatory body or such. As my elected represent it is your duty to represent me and not the party line or any regulatory body. Please let me know what you have done to reject this legislation. It and/or similar legislation clearly do not in any way, shape, or forms belong in our Rule of Law, Constitutional Democratic society and more study is not required by you or anyone given absurd stance of this government.

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ExJohnson — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:53:17 GMT

IN these cases, I'm not sure there is as much conspiracy as is there is careful planning by individuals who want to maximize their potential for profit, maximize the stability of a specific market, or maximize the protection of their investments. It's very easy to hire researchers to bring about a desired outcome, and whether this is an ETHICAL issue or not, I'm not sure. As a fairly moderate Libertine, I feel fundamentally secure in this dychotomy:The greatest power an individual has in a democracy is their vote, and the greatest power a consumer has in a capitalist enterprise is the boycott, both of which get used to their minimal advantage in our society. Our voters don't vote, and our consumers, albiet sometimes grudgingly, won't stop consuming. Because (I feel) our sense of community has dissolved, and the Me Me generation has taken over, we don't want to vote because it won't matter, and we don't boycott because we don't trust our neighbor to give up their luxuries with you. Only when a strong sense of community is restored can the true powers of the individual matter.

re: SPECIAL UPDATE: Canadian Bill STILL Poses a Threat to Natural Health Consumers

Evan_Johnson — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:49:23 GMT

Take action NOW, people, and continue to! This is nothing less than a matter of life and death the world over. It is a fascist murder attempt as well on our innate and once inviolate liberties. “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power.” Benito Mussolini

Tell all the others you know. Publish your own articles and flyers. Call and write legislators and then do it again. Bug them, persist...it is your life and your children's lives, everyone's lives that they're giving the finger to.

Thank you for correcting yourself, Dr. Mercola. In the future, be certain before you write. Possibly some people dropped taking action against Bill C-51 because of your haste.

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Jim Schultz — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:30:13 GMT

The problem is to detect the real trojan horse as control over vitamins seems to be an issue claiming risk while it is accepted over 100,000 die yearly from scripts when used as prescribed. The number just damaged or receiving no benefit is mind numbing. A huge drain on society and only diverts us living a healthy lifestyle. The correct answer is seldom a drug. Lifelong symptom control has few benefits.

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somdbob — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:56:20 GMT

It is quite interesting to see the quarrelsome postings of the Canucks--almost as bad as the Yanks.. The issues, however, seem quite complex, more political than medical.

I, for one, will bewatching to see how it all turns out. I have been under the impression that Canada had a better grip on health systems than here in the lower 48. As just one example, the anti-fluoride stance of many major cities.

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ribrob — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:25:47 GMT

"Natural Solutions Foundation Health Freedom" -

I think you'll find that Natural Solutions Foundation is another of those bogus pretend campaigning organisations controlled by big pharma. These things work very subtly. Big pharma has billions to spend on professional corrupting and lying.

re: SPECIAL UPDATE: Canadian Bill STILL Poses a Threat to Natural Health Consumers

beht — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:33:55 GMT

I can understand Barry Green's idea that perhaps people are overreacting to this bill. It certainly would appear that some people seem to be making huge jumps in logic, etc., and I myself sometimes question just how paranoid we can become. But at the end of the day, it's an important issue and I'd prefer to remain vigilant about it. And I certainly wouldn't put much past any government.

By the way, what DID happen to Essiac in Canada?

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petrusic — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:37:47 GMT

Mannatech is NOT attached or supported by Big Pharma. Please be careful with what you say. Mannatech is under the same scrutiny as any other nutrutional company and in fact some of the products that we enjoy will not be available if this Bill goes through.

We are all working toward the same end, which is our freedom to chose. Your comments are highly valued, so keep them accurate.

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Carol Merlo — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:19:58 GMT

I believe you have implied that Mannatech is owned by a Pharmaceutical company, because it's a member of the DSA. This is clearly not true. I would love for you to be more accurate when you write things like this because many people are listening to you.

Mannatech does not have any investment in any pharmaceutical companies.

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Blueyze — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:17:34 GMT

Thank you Americans for your support. This is very serious and we need all the support we can get. I am thinking of forwarding Dr. Mercola's message to my Member of Parliament and other members - wonder if that will do any good or are we better to not let them know that we have him on our side for support??

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Ex-drone — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:13:23 GMT

Sorry about the formatting below. Here is a cleaner version:

The implication of your article is that Health Canada wants to severely limit NHP access in Canada, which is a strange conclusion. The legislative framework for NHPs has been developed fairly consistently by both Liberal and Conservative governments in line with "Natural Health Products: A New Vision", a 1998 report on which the NHP community collaborated. NHPs have been regulated in Canada since 2004, and in the last four years, NHP consumers have not had their access suddenly restricted. These NHP Regulations [http://canadagazette.gc.ca/.../sor196-e.html] will continue in force after C-51 and C-52 are passed.

Health Canada has consistently demonstrated their support for CAM and access to NHPs by Canadians. They acknowledge on their website that 70 percent of Canadians use NHPs. Their NHP Directorate is headed by a naturopath, staffed by CAM professionals and advised by an expert panel of CAM practitioners. They have just spent four years reviewing over 26,000 NHP product license applications. If their intent is to eliminate NHPs from Canada, then they are very inefficient at it.

Your statements on Codex Alimentarius are also puzzling. Codex only applies to nations that regulate NHPs as food. Canada does not regulate NHPs as food. Bills C-51 and C-52 do not change that position. Therefore, Codex does not and will not apply to Canada.

NHP consumers deserve to have the safety and quality of their NHPs protected. Bills C-51 and C-52 will achieve that, not only for NHPs, but for virtually all products that Canadians consume.

Since you seem to be just regurgitating the information from the NHPPA, StopC51 and other Truehope websites, I suggest that you check out other sources [e.g., http://www.healthycanadians.ca/.../facts-c51-fiches_e.html] ... that is, if you're critical thinker and not a conspiracy thinker.

Barry Green

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natural harmonies — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:47:52 GMT

I too registered a complaint at the anti C51 web site. I also subscribe to Natural Solutions Foundation Health Freedom eAlerts through www.healthfreedomusa.org for the latest in anything health related that the government is holding back. It is a good idea to get on the list. They will email you all the info you need to stay in the know and on top of issues like this before it is too late. They do have links that allow you to sign numerous petitions related to health, supplementation, regulation, etc on their web site. We need to all work together to maintain our (supposed) freedoms.

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A Storm — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:55:08 GMT

It is good to know that America isn't the only place fraught with corruption and deception. Or is it?!?

I don't mean that literally. I am just saying that we are not alone. Maybe there is some way that we can stick together and win.

FYI. I went to the Canadian anti-C51 website and registered my complaint--even thought I am an American. The site took it (didn't spit it out). Sorry, I cannot find the site right now. I got it from a friend in Canada. But here is another one.