Why Tap Water Can Harm Your Kids

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somdbob — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:09:29 GMT

Many of us posters are sceptical of gaining relief of fluoridization from the authorities any time soon. So we read of do-it-yourself measures such as reverse osmosis gadgets or distillers of water. but there is a puzzling lack of commercial reaction to all this.

I mean, if I were running a supermarket or a pharmacy I would have, for instance, a sub-divided toothpaste section, with non-fluoride products separated out, with appropriate si.gnagel Asi t is right now, you will have a tough time finding a non-fluoride toothpaste. I finally had to wade thru Walmart's to find a Tom's of Maine or a Xlight tube. In CVS, couldn't find any. Ditto for the Air Force BX. Ditto for the Giant . If they have 'em, keep on searcning. The same thing re. bottled water. I do not find fluoride or non-fluoriode mentioned on the bottles. We're told so much of the bottled water comes right out of municipal taps.. If I had to pick one, I'd probably go with a Perrier or a San Pelligrino--because they are said to be spring-fed. Goodness knows what you would get into for the soft drinks and the beers, (CocaCola and Pepsi are alreadt off-limits until thet get rid of aspertane.) But why isn't this kind of contents-related info highlighted??

For a guy like me, it would make or break a sale.

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somdbob — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:11:38 GMT

We all deplore the idiocy of enforced fluoridation. I live in the Washington DC area and we are treated to fluoridated water, courtesy of the Washington Suburban Sanitary Commission. The WSSC spokesmen speak proudly of this. I am thinking that if even a few Congressmen become aware of the truth abiut fluorides--and contemplate that they themselves --and their families--are drinking this stuff, they might begin to take a much more active role. This is an election year--and unwanted forced medication could easily become an electable issue, At the very least, Congress couild reevaluate whatever led them to go along with fluoridization in the past.

ONe of the best things for this is the fact that it wouldn't cost anything, and would in fact save a substantial sum, and the guy/gal legislators who get\ credit for banning fluoride will score a valuable career note,

So, everyone, write your legislators! There's plenty of ammunition in these columns,

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Brook from Sydney — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:49:53 GMT

Bridge, I would like to get in contact with you if that's OK? There is a network of people opposed to water fluoridation in Australia who are in contact via email. Some have good experience in minimising fluoride exposure. If anyone around the world wants to join, the best way to join is at the www.fluoridealert.org website and search for the FAN representative in your area.

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isoptera — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:06:44 GMT

I have a petition with the FDA to make fluoride in toothpaste a prescription drug (docket no. 2007P-0070/CP1 ). However it has come to my attention that in 1975 the FDA made fluoride supplements prescription drugs. Perhaps it would be advantageous for everyone to write the FDA to make my petition a part of that regulation. The address is; FDA Dockets, 5630 Fishers Lane, Room 1061 (HFA-305), Rockville, MD 20852. phone = 301 827 6860 fax 301 827 6870. If you want copies of the petition and an addenda email me at isoptera@mchsi.com .

Sincerely, Charles Weber

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DizzyIzzy1 — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:45:19 GMT

Has anyone got any information on how to re-enamlise teeth? I've got a hole in a very back tooth but would like to have a go at re-enamalising it myself rather than go straight to the dentist for an expensive, aluminium and BPA-filled white filling (the best option there is sadly). I'd rather get it pulled if it comes to it. The only sugar I eat is from fruit or smoothies (home made), I don't eat gluten... any ideas? Anyone know how long it takes either? It's not painful yet so I'm sure I've got time to sort it out.

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Jim Schultz — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:12:11 GMT

Read Yoder k.m. 2007 study on pub med which shows just how fluoride ignorant dentists are if you ever has any doubts. Only 17% in Indiana understood the current science of topical reminerization of post eruptive teeth. Not mentioned was the fact that 1ppm ingested has no ability to deliver on the new theory. 1000ppm in toothpaste put directly on the teeth just might but most young kids swallow so much it results in more ingestede damage then any small benefit. Only 14% got it right in Illinois. Yet we still have fluoride ignorant dentists telling us safe for all and everyone benefits. Sound like a medical diagnosis for a raw toxic waste that has never had even one chronic health ,safety, benefit study ever. The FDA after 63 years of medication has yet to review or approve ingested fluoride in any form. It is considered a new unapproved and was sort of grandfathered in claiming use prior to 1938 but that was as a effective rat poison not human use. Rats get warfin nowdays and we get contaminated rat poison. The EPA did admit to congress no study yet but did not say they would do one either.

The EPA scientists at the Headquarters Union became aware of employees being forced lie and rewrite studies to protect fluoride in 1985. A lawsuit was filed in 1986 that the Safe Drinking Water Act is violated by fluoridation. In 2000 congress was asked to halt fluoridation by the headquarters union. In 2005 11 EPA unions asked for immediate halt to fluoridation and congressional investigations. Feb 29,2008 the number was 19 professional unions but the press seems not to notice. They asked for a goal of ZERO just like arsenic and lead which are also cumulative toxins.

We are treated worse then lab rats in this misguided experment. Pizzo 2007 review showed 51% of kids with fluoride toxicity with dental fluorosis. The York study 2000 showed 15%dental fluorosis before fluoridation and 48% after fluoridation with 12.5% of the forever damage being ugly enough for cosmetic.

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Jack in Nashville — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:18:28 GMT

Here's an answer for those who have asked these two questions: How to help reverse the effects of many years of fluoride exposure; I asked expert toxicologist, Dr. Kathleen Thiessen, who was a member of the National Research Council's subcommittee on Fluoride; she tells me that a good calcium supplement will help the situation. Calcium bonds strongly to fluoride ions (which explains its effect on brittle bones). Question 2: As for water treatment; my family has been using distilled water for almost a year with wonderful results. Distillation uses no filters (filtration does not remove fluoride anyway since it is a very small molecule), and we place about a pinch of natural sea salt per gallon to remineralize the water. We also use a cheap filter like Brita to remove those substances that boil at or below the temperature of water. We only pay for the electricity to boil the water, which ends up being much less than having to buy our water in plastic jugs. And, the consistency of the product is the same every time. Clean, pure water is an acquired taste since distilled water really has no taste. You can add green tea or other flavors for taste, and we also add a little xylotol for some sweet taste. The company we bought our distiller from is in Florida, and can be seen at www.waterwise.com . They sell excellent equipment, and it doesn't break the bank. The U. S. Navy has used this technology on their submarines for more than sixty years with no problems. Here's to your good health!

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Julieanne — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:52:14 GMT

Why are people in the USA so resistant to installing water tanks? It seems a natural solution - your own free rainwater! They don't have to be enormous, or even round - there are 'slimline' tanks that fit along the side of the house. But no-one ever mentions them Why?

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Ross Walter — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:44:15 GMT

Dr G, you are very sadly and badly misinformed with your inaccurate comments on fluoride!

One form of Fluoride - CALCIUM Fluoride - occurs naturally, but this can't be used for water fluoridation as it is INSOLUBLE, it won't disolve in water!

Hence other "fluorides" such as sodium fluoride, aluminium fluoride, sodium fluorosilicate and fluorosilicic acid are used for water fluoridation, and all are very toxic chemicals which are a waste-products of various industries, such as aluminium production and the phosphate fertiliser industries. Why don't you and others do your own research into these man-made chemicals and see what they are used for, where they come from and what damage they do to your body.

Even if fluouride did (allegedly) prevent tooth decay (which independent studies shows it doesn’t), it doesn't fix the cause of the problem anyway – the problem being bad nutrition that people are eating and drinking, especially kids. It’s more the acidic foods - sugars, sweets, soft drinks, “sports” drinks etc perhaps together with bad dental hygiene which are eroding teeth. This is the cause of bad teeth NOT because we don’t have fluoride in our water!

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infinitesymmetry — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:45:10 GMT

I haven't been to the dentist for 20 years and never intend to return. Statistics show that countries who do not fluoridate their water have no differences in dental caries, than fluoridated countries.

I have no cavities with help from ignoring most of the BS I've heard throughout my life.

We live in a sea of propaganda. Of course dental problems are completely related to refined foods.

Check out one of the greatest works ever on human nutrition. "Nutrition & Physical Degeneration," by Weston A. Price

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jodi777 — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:31:48 GMT

how do you know how much flouride is in your water, and does a high quality water filter remove flouride?

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curious7 — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:29:03 GMT

Another cry in the wilderness for a use of commonsense. Or at least a cry to err on the side of caution. No way, money and the companies like DuPont who manufacture this toxin, would be hurt. Never mind the threat of fluorosis (rotting bones) this condition has not been proven. Prove the danger then we will stop using this toxin, that is if we listen.

In the tiny Nation of Belgium fluoride has been outlawed www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/fluoride.htm, and there has been an effort to get UNICEF to look at the data and cease backing water fluoridation programs. True fluoride does harden the enamale of teeth, but the danger lies beneath. The teeth become more brittle, as well as the bones, and this may also be the reason for the great increase in osteoarthritis. Even my pet gets filtered water. Then osteoporosis is the other danger, but the FDA,and the USDA, continue to say this toxin fluoride is helpful, not harmful. Hey I have property on the moon for sale.

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MarthaB — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:46:26 GMT

Is there any way to help get rid of the fluoride in our body after years of exposure?

Also, any suggestions for a whole house reverse osmosis system? This is something we'd like to put in.

I guess it goes without saying that we should also not allow fluoride treatments for our kids, too? I refuse them, and it irks the heck out of my son's dentist. His teeth seem to be fine, though.

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Lynn Griebahn — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:33:32 GMT

I enjoy hearing people complain about Fluoride in water. Go ahead take fluoride out of the water, I need the business!!

I am a dentist and news flash- fluoride occurs "naturally" in water. That's how it was discovered some where down in Texas. The idea that fluoride has no effect on caries is simply a lie, not true, false!. I can see a dramatic difference in my patients who drink city water that is fluoridated and patients who live on well water that is sometimes not flouridated. As far as bone strenght and flouride, the fact is that flouride supplementation makes the bones denser and less likely to fracture. So do me a favor, don't drink fluoridated water and get caries and then complain about the bad metal we put in your mouth. Also there is a direct relationship between the number of missing, decayed and filled teeth and heart disease. The more missing, filled and decayed teeth. the higher the incidence of heart disease. Dr G.

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Mamachibi — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:00:11 GMT

My oldest boy has "soft, porous" enamel. His dentist told us there wasn't enough fluoride in his drinking water to help him, and he prescribed both a mouth rinse and chewable tablets. Of course, we dosed our child. It was 30 years ago and we had no internet to do our own medical research. Everyone I talked to agreed it was the best thing. My 30-year-old son now has striped brown and white teeth that break very easily. He has arthritis and hypothyroidism. I never associated these conditions with fluoride until two years ago when I was doing some research on the water in our new neighborhood. I feel very much like he was the subject of human experimentation. I am very thankful that we now have resources to do our own research and make more medical decisions for ourselves.