Is There Really a Healthy Way to Use Alcohol?

re: Is There Really a Healthy Way to Use Alcohol?

ValerieB — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:57:20 GMT

For some people, there is no such thing as alcohol "in moderation". My parents were raging alcoholics during our childhood and teenage years- then quit for 25 years.

Now in their 70's, they decided to start having "a glass or two of wine before bed". I knew exactly where this would lead, and four years later, they are right back where they were 30 years ago. They start at 1 p.m., drink all they can until they pass out at midnight, and get up to recover for a few hours. Then it's back to the bottle.

They rationalize it away by saying that this wine is lower in alcohol content and good for the heart. I try to tell them that 5 ounces per day for women and 8 ounces per day for men is what the AHAS says, but they don't want to hear it.

They have been told by my mom's heart doctor that this is good. Of course, the heart doctor has no idea that they are going through about 2 liters per day. And I must say that I place a lot of the blame on the doctor for suggesting to someone with alcoholism to drink "in moderation".

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all4children — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:56:32 GMT

I need some clarification on this. My understanding was that you could eat steak rare (basically any red meat other then ground) but poultry had to be extrememly well cooked, and some fish could also carry parisites that could be very dangerous if not cooked really well. Is he saying that we can eat a chicken breast, rare? Of a salmon or red snapper fillet, rare??

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nrthwstrn — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:50:30 GMT

We often eat raw seal liver,frozen fish raw, and certain parts of the seal besides the liver dipped in seal oil...mmm. Alaska

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Katie5757 — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:24:37 GMT

Let us acknowledge that the wine drinking french have healthy hearts.. but of course their health liver wise.. is not so good.. I cant help but feel that this is pr at its worst/best..

Those that drink wine in quantity and regularly, would not be aware of the effect that a seldom imbiber has from wine.. I prefer to live in reality, though I do enjoy a glass of wine with very good company.

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curious7 — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:14:42 GMT

Before a Bar-B-Que, my father would put his steaks in pot of of seasoned Maker's Mark for 24 hours. This did wonders for the steak along with the rub, and the sauce. The one thing about being a carnivore I sometimes miss.

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abbasdaughter — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:11:28 GMT

I still don't trust raw meat of any kind though (the texture itself makes me gag anyway)... some people's bodies just don't do well with it and mine doesn't do well with meat that's undercooked... That said, I lean towards medium rare. Unfortunately, for fear it will damage the sashimi industry (big money as the stuff is expensive), the deaths from sashimi problems usually aren't reported in the news even though some happen every year... One couple I know/knew (the man past away a year and a bit ago) told me about a sushi chef they knew (in Japan) who was always very careful, but still wound up w/ a parasite that ate through his stomach and he died.

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abbasdaughter — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:03:58 GMT

also wondering if just using straight 100% grape juice would be beneficial for maranating.

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abbasdaughter — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:43:56 GMT

I never buy alcoholic drinks, but do have soy sauce at my place (the only specifically soy product you're likely to find in my place by choice) and I think there may be some alcohol in there... I really don't like lemon juice all that much, but have some lime juice... Think lime and shoyu would make a nice maranade?

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ChristineDianeLMT — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 06:27:42 GMT

As I read this article, hoping maybe my new craving for beer might have a slight health benefit, I found an answer to another recent thought of mine. I have been wondering if we should be eating our meat raw. As a child, my German parents shared something very common in Germany but unheard of in the USA, we mixed seasonings with ground beef and ate it raw on bread as a sandwich spread. I loved it but as I mentioned it to my friends, I realized how no one else could even imagine eating raw meat. We had access to farm fresh beef which we had butchered ourselves, so there was no fear of unhealthy, diseased meat. In Germany all meat is of this high health standard, and they still to this day sell raw seasoned beef and pork sandwich spread in the deli. I love my steaks slightly rare and now I know why. This article did not inspire me to marinade in alcohol, but rather to find a better meat market and eat some raw meat!

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curious7 — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:15:05 GMT

Remember that every ounce of alcohol that we ingest millions of brain cells are destroyed.

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HealingMindN — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:46:33 GMT

I think it's unfortunate that the food channel cooks never talk about HAs, PAHs, or AGEs, but you can depend on them to tell you, "remember to use a good vegetable oil, then let it come to the smoking stage..." The #1 cook that comes to mind is Bobby Flay, "let the flame do its work," as he allows a literal blow furnace to embrace the meat, then all I can see is a blackened piece of meat when he's finished.

OMG, it's cooks like him who are setting examples for Americans watching cable.

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Damo — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:18:16 GMT

in many walks of life i witness people squinting hard and pretending something is not happenening to them or by them; dietry habit is a biggy. they all cling to the newest and latest research in hope that what they deep down know is doing harm will be reported as having something good said about it so they can keep on killing themselves or their genes theyre passing on to future generations. my raw & non-alcoholic diet has done me the world of great health (and little washing up) and it feels right & easy to say no to people offering crap food or substances. it all comes from accepting change in your attitudes, now and tomorrow. Everyday adults consumption of alcohol, crap food etc is no different to kids experimenting with things for the first time. Break your habits people, listen to your instinct (or re-connect with it) and be proud to accept changes to your life especially the correct dietry choices. Burnt meat, alcohol, etc etc etc - People are more concerned about putting better fuel in their cars! and dont get all defensive of your current habits, just take time to consider change ! good luck.

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etyrnal — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:57:00 GMT

i find it somewhat silly that people get all excited about something like this...

i think healthy life comes from one single source... Life.

The closer Your foods are to being in a healthy, living state, the better it will be for You -- period.

Life comes from Life.

Take all of Your supplement money and invest it into a good garden, or a cooperative gardening venture.

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dont have any — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:31:07 GMT

My ethnic background is Italian. We and my family as far back as I know have been drinking wine daily with their meals. All my family previous to me past away after 90 years of age. My dad at 95 and my mom at 92. All the relatives in Italy pass away in their 90's. They all drink wine daily, mostly red. Once in a while they would drink white with fish. So........as far as I am concerned wine is the way to go....

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rajsanand — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:22:52 GMT

Somehow something tells me that this a alcohol lobby driven study.

I dont know why nobody talks about reservatrol in grapes. I am sure a person can consume not more than 2 glasses of wine per day. But I am sure he can eat a lot more red grapes. Why no consume concetrated grape juice.

What about red non-alcoholic wine.

It is very surprising that even Dr. mercola and other health advocates are not catching on to this.

Or maybe they just dont want kill the joy for everything. Here in my city there are two brands of wine which contain high amounts of alchohol, now everyone even girls and pregnant ladies are drinking wine, saying its good for health.

They can get the same amount of reservatrol from grapes too.

Why cant we just get a good bio-available supplement.

You know what is going to happen, especially in a country like India which is planning to ban alcohol. The wine industry is making inroads there and they have managed to "differentiate" wine into a different category from alcohol.

And now anyone can sell wine in a any shop(might seem normal in the US but In India you need a liquor permit which costs a lot to sell or serve alchohol)

Beer is trying hard to get a "non alchoholic" status. And then I am sure they are going to ban alcohol.

Then I am pretty sure you are going to get wine with added alcohol to make it appealing and everyone is going to drink it as it is not a taboo anymore.

All this is aimed at making everyone drunkards and capture the alchohol market permanently. Cause even the industry knows that hard liquor is damaging and sooner or later it is going to be stopped or people themselves will not choose to kill of their brain cells even if it is once a week.