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Ron Paul and the Empire


As Ron Paul’s campaign for president continues to gain momentum -- largely from an Internet-based movement -- people are beginning to wonder not only if Ron Paul could really win … but what would happen if he did.

Paul’s ideals are directly in contrast with the “carefully concealed oligarchy” that currently runs the United States. Both Democratic and Republican candidates are typically “puppets” of the establishment, but Ron Paul is a freelancer, and his three central ideas radical:

1. The federal government must follow the strict guidelines of the Constitution.

2. America should deconstruct its empire, withdraw our troops from around the world, and practice a non-interventionist foreign policy.

3. America should abolish the Federal Reserve Bank, eliminate fiat currency, and return to hard money.

Considering the massive bloodshed that has occurred historically any time the oligarchy was challenged, this LewRockwell.com article questions the lengths and powers that he will go to keep Ron Paul from changing the status quo.

Every premise of Paul’s campaign is “unacceptable, repellant and hateful to America’s ruling elite.” A plan to keep their existence intact would include the following sequentially escalating, steps:

  • Ignore him and, if possible, exclude him from debates
  • Ridicule and fear-mongering that distorts Paul’s ideas
  • Scandal, real or fabricated
  • Threats through the criminal justice system (with a “plea bargain” to drop his candidacy)
  • Ensuring his presidency ended in failure, if he was elected
In short, Ron Paul’s ideas have the power to threaten the core of the American establishment’s worldwide empire. As for Paul’s campaign, the article points out, “This is not a political agenda. This is not a party platform. It is a revolution.”

LewRockwell.com July 31, 2007


 



Dr. Mercola''s Comments Dr. Mercola's Comments:

I don't believe the powers that currently control our political system ever factored in the enormous influence the Internet can have on changing our culture.  When you combine this, with the courage and conviction of a true Patriot, amazing things can happen.  Dr. Paul speaks the TRUTH, and support for him is like nothing I have ever seen before. (I read nearly three dozen blogs every day, and about 5,000 posts a week, so I have a good sense of what people are feeling.)

The establishment’s plan to ignore Dr. Paul and hope he disappears from the radar is clearly not working. He was recently featured in a complimentary New York Times article, and received an enormously favorable response from his interview with Google executive Elliot Schrage.

I am confident that this momentum is only going to get stronger as the election grows nearer. We’re in for a very bumpy ride and -- (if Dr. Paul gets elected) -- some changes in the United States, that have been a long time coming.



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Posted On Aug 02, 2007
Has Hillary and Obama duke it out on the left and Guiliani and Romney on the right, can Ron Paul win?  YES, if you get to the primary polls and vote for him.

 
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stoic
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Posted On Aug 03, 2007
Donna, one of the founding crew said "we must hang together, for we will surely hang separately"....

And that same guy said, in response to a query he received as to the form the new government would take, "a Republic, if you can keep it"....

So your comment about polarization points the way to the formulation of some better questions....

Division, faction, internecine squabbling, special interests, lobbying/PAC's....what does that describe? Democracy.....

Democracy has proven to be the supremely effective divide and conquer strategy that the original crew knew it was - and were dead set against.

"A Republic - if you can keep it". They couldn't keep it. "Hang together or surely hang separately". Not absolutely literally, for most of us, but metaphorically...absolutely.


fydo
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Posted On Aug 15, 2007

I was at the Iowa Straw Poll last Saturday and met Dr.Paul(soon to be President Paul)I love this guy.He'll be the first good and honest President we'll have ever had.What a classy guy.50% of the people there had Ron Paul shirts and signs and anyone with half a brain could see we out numbered the rest of the candidates even with Romneys'(R-money) bus tour,feast,giveaway.But Dr.Paul was just happy with the raise from 2% in the polls to 9%.I was outraged and I am going to send Dr.Paul another $200 and if you love your country too I would suggest you all give what you can to help him.From Fydo GRRRRR....  



Ozza
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Posted On Aug 15, 2007

Elections will be soon here Down-Under. Wish we had a Dr. Paul here. Either of both sides will only keep the status-quo going in Australia.



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Posted On Aug 15, 2007

I can't even IMAGINE that there will be a FAIR AND BALANCED election, let alone an opportunity to even vote for anyone for CONGRESS OR SENATE that has 1 oz of backbone.  The tyranny in our government even at the local levels which have become quite brazen with their power, is such that, a decent person wouldn't think of running for fear of what the Fed via the IRS or any other OUTLAW organization in this MAFIA STYLE COUNTRY WE CALL "FREE", WOULD DO TO THEIR LIVLIHOOD, FAMILY OR BUSINESS.  Because THIS Government as we know it now can MAKE UP ANYTHING IT WANTS TO ON THE AVERAGE GUY AND MAKE IT STICK....I take that back... he doesn't even have to make it stick... THEY JUST CART YOU AWAY AS AN ENEMY NON-COMBATANT.  

So unless there is some SERIOUS LARGE SCALE EN MASSE DEMONSTRATION THAT SCARES THE HELL OUT OF THOSE 'BIG DOGS' up there... nothing will happen.  When do we march?  And we all need to do it.



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Posted On Aug 27, 2007

What really matters is the voting in.  So far, Ron Paul is in the lead in the primaries, however, if you have been following his campagin trail like I have you would have noticed he got the shaft in Iowa.  Mitt Romney spent well over $200,000 in funding to win that primary, but I believe that the votes were fraudulent. For the voting event they had diebold machines (electronic counters) and we all know how those can get "miss counted." When Ron Paul went to other states that had non-diebold machines (paper ballots)he won 83% of the votes.  WHAT IS GOING TO MATTER IS THE PEOPLE TAKING ACTION, WATCHING THEIR GOVERNMENT AND USING PAPER BALLOTS!



NEWGUY
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Posted On Sep 02, 2007

YOU GOT IT RIGHT "INFORMED MOM".

I WANT TO MARCH AND HAVE BEEN SAYING IT A LONG TIME.

WE LACK THE ABILITY TO ORGANIZE (AND THE MONEY).

THE ILLEGALS MARCH CAUSE THERE ARE ORGANIZATONS WITH MONEY

TO GET IT GOING.

GOD HELP US IF RON PAUL DOES NOT GET ELECTED.


 
 
 
Posted On Aug 03, 2007
notig -

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

Starting from that, correct, premise, you will be hard-pressed to defenf the contention that "there is always room for an opinion" as regards the fed / central banks.

It, in collusion with gov degrades the currency (purchasing power of the $ is now less than 1/20 of what it was < 1913, when the fed was hatched...it would take a million of today's monopoly money to buy what 30-50K would have bought back then), invisibly, to most, extracting wealth from the peasantry (us) & simultaneously saddling said peasantry, along with all its posterity, with astronomical debts. We are merely the collateral in the scheme (tax serfs)...not that the peasantry is noble or innocently victimized, since most of them are bought and paid for within the same scheme, and defend their harnesses resolutely....

So, any opinion in favor of central banks is, like the fiat currency they counterfeit, devoid of value.

No links - I've already indicated where to look. Another rich source, for essay-length treatments, is the affiliated lewrockwell.com. Both sites are searchable; have fun.  

 
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Posted On Aug 04, 2007
I don't understand your logic in the first part... I am pro Ron Paul and even he says for instance... that man has imperfect knowledge. That means there is plenty of room for opinion since any of us could be wrong.

I agree that the government and federal reserve work together to dilute the currency. But the people asked for it. The people wanted all the services that we have now. You can't fix the problem simply by going to a backed currency.. you need to address the problem by shrinking the government and not policing the world. Ron paul understands that as well. And if you address that problem then you address the one of inflation greatly as well.

What I suggest has never been tried before(except maybe the Tally stick system under King Henry)... I am not in favor of the Federal Reserve once again. If you want to see where I am coming from then check out here: http://joindiscussion.com/news-politics/4877-how-economic-slavery-works.html


stoic
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Posted On Aug 04, 2007
Whatever the context of Paul's comment about imperfect knowledge,  there was context, it was not a blanket statement - there are many things for which we do have perfect knowledge - the poisonousness of central banks being one of those things. And, coming from Paul, you can be sure he was not refering to central banking.....

The people most assuredly did not ask for it - they had absolutely nothing to do with it's drafting or enactment. Many of them did become gulty as accessories after the fact, however.....

Gov will never be shrunk as long as they have access to fiat currency (which is why they adopted it in the 1st place, to fuel their own metastasis).....

Inflation is a monetary phenomenon. Period. Yes, it is possible under a hard money regime to experience inflation, as Spain did after it began plundering in central & s. america. But those are anomalous events, rare, the exceptions that prove the rule, and temporary. The typical inflations under hard money regimes were the result of 'clipping', whereby the king would periodically recall all the coin of the realm,  remove a portion of each coin, and then send them back out into circulation at the same face value (i.e., the king just screwed everybody...).

Paper "money", digital "money" can be cranked out in whatever quantity and at whatever rate. Commodity money (gold and silver) takes effort and time and expands slowly - politicians and central bankers do not approve of such limits to their insatiable appetites.....

Under commodity money, as capital accumulates and productivity increases, the prices for goods and services strongly tend to fall ( the value of the currency unit rises); under fiat, it is reversed (a nickle cup of coffee costs 2.50....). Since the value of the currency is stable-to-strengthening, savers are rewarded - rather than raped, as they are under fiat - and saving is the   


stoic
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Posted On Aug 04, 2007
...source of capital accumulation that leads to enhanced productivity and higher standards of living. Under fiat, mom & dad both have to work, plus borrow a lot - the $ just doesn't go as far as it used to dontcha' know...do I really need to keep going with this?

No room for opinion here....... 


notig
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Posted On Aug 04, 2007
Sorry , but I think you need to look at the bigger picture. You can be pessimistic... and think the only way to prevent big government is to have a gold standard... which will attempt to slow down increases in the currency... and while you may slow inflation... you will still have the boom and bust cycles, inflation... and perhaps even deflation which is even worse.

The big picture is that the people can be saved immense sums of money, if loans were issued without interest attached. Right now for instance if you got a loan at around 5% and 200k for 25 years... you will end up paying around 400k for your mortgage. That 200k extra you paid was for the service of the bank... that money didn't exist before the loan.. its not someone elses money.

The best solution is to vote in political leaders like Ron paul who will reduce the scope of the government... and then to institute a banking system like i have described in my essays.


stoic
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Posted On Aug 04, 2007
All due respect, notig, LOL, but if dispensing with interest is such a good idea, why stop there? Why not take that con all the way and hand out free "principle" as well.

Lord, save us from the world-improvers and their 'new ideas'....!

The biggest of the big pictures is this: eating your seed corn will bring you to subsistence, if not outright starvation, and the environment we live in has been a seed corn banquet for a very long time. When the granary is finally empty, this truth will come back into focus for more people...and then the process of forgetting will start anew. You still ahve a chance to "remember" now, however; study hard and good luck.  


notig
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Posted On Aug 04, 2007
"All due respect, notig, LOL, but if dispensing with interest is such a good idea, why stop there? Why not take that con all the way and hand out free "principle" as well."

Not sure what exactly you are saying here... but when a loan is given the principal is created and the principal + interest are due. The making of money is simply a service... for this service banks charge interest. So no, the principal won't be free... but there will be a service fee rather than interest.



" Lord, save us from the world-improvers and their 'new ideas'....!"

I am guessing you still haven't read my links. Monetary reformers like you who back a gold standard do so out of ignorance. You do not know exactly what causes inflation. It is not as simple as printing more money... because the importance is the money's relation to the production that backs it up. You can call my idea a new idea but King Henry did implement it with the tally stick system... so your slander is not entirely correct.

"The biggest of the big pictures is this: eating your seed corn will bring you to subsistence, if not outright starvation, and the environment we live in has been a seed corn banquet for a very long time. When the granary is finally empty, this truth will come back into focus for more people...and then the process of forgetting will start anew. You still ahve a chance to "remember" now, however; study hard and good luck.  "

This analogy sounds like the saying "spending yourself into prosperity is like trying to raise yourself up in a bucket by the handle, while standing inside of it" . ... in which I would agree of course.


stoic
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Posted On Aug 04, 2007
notig, supply and demand is about as basic an economic concept as there is...everything is subject to supply & demand, including money. Interest rate is the price of money. Remove price, or control it, and the result is what mises called 'the calculation error' - and it is precisely that error, that inability to calculate price and act accordingly - to make viable plans - that is at the heart of every failure of socialism and it's variations.

It doesn't work. It has never worked. It never will work. The Austrians worked this out logically, a long time ago. The corroborating weight of history is just the cherry on top.   

mises.org, lewrockwell.com......the web makes it easier than ever to get clear.

and for the record, I have been studying these subjects for 35 years - ignorant bliss is not an option for me.


notig
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Posted On Aug 04, 2007
The idea that interest is the price of money arises from two misconceptions. One is that you are actually borrowing someone elses money. You are not. A loan is an addition to the money supply. If you were actually being lent someone elses money then there would be the need to charge interest for the price of using it.

The second is that interest is not what controls the money supply. It is set by open market operations, the discount rate, and the reserve ratio.

The only possible downside to removing the interest rate is that less people save money. But at the same time, the money is leaving the economy faster because the principal is being paid in full.

When you say "it doesn't work" I am not sure what you are referring to. The federal reserve? Or my idea? Have you read my link that has my ideas? Even the federal reserve works. Just not very well. I would rather have a backed currency than the one we have now. But it is still not the best solution.

The idea is simple. Create money interest free, but with debt attached.  No money shall be created without debt (like is being done now) . The debt ensures that it is paid back, which means the money is destroyed. The only inflationary aspect then is the length of the loan. To control inflation then you simply reduce the amount of time on loans you are willing to give. And charge a service fee for the banks service. That is it.


stoic
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Posted On Aug 05, 2007
notig, your bio says you hail from fairfax. That's pretty much a company town of the borg, er, gov, isn't it? Is that just an unfortunate coincidence, or do you have an umbilical sprouting from your cranium?

Yes, there are indeed misconceptions at hand...but they are not mine.

I wasn't going to do this, but here is a spoonful...swallow it...digest it...maybe go back for some extra helpings...then see what you think...the first link, Mises, is foundational...Rothbard takes it the rest of the way & no prisoners......

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/mom2.html

http://www.google.com/custom?sa=Search&cof=LW%3A500%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.lewrockwell .com%2Flewroc1a.gif%3BLH%3A93%3BAH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3A65dad07a461e3427%3B&domains=lewr ockwell.com&q=rothbard+on+money&sitesearch=lewrockwell.com
 


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Posted On Aug 14, 2007

Wonderful. I wish that I could vote in the US, he would have mine. We need someone like him here

                             John Davies

                             Reading UK



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Posted On Aug 14, 2007

What should become known is that not one cent of the taxes paid to the IRS  goes to running our country. All goes to the private Federal Reserve- a group of 12 PRIVATELY owned banks. Prior to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 no tax was levied on the personal income. Prior to 1913 we always had a balanced budjet. Since the advent of a personal income tax we rarely had a REAL balanced budjet. The U.S. now owes the Federal Reserve (not part of our government) over 8 trillion dollars.

The federal reserve simply prints money for the U.S., sells it to us at face value and charges us interest on it. It is unthinkable that this can occur. The Constitution grants us the right to print our own money. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that "Congress shall have the power to coin (create) money and regulate the value thereof." Today however, the FED, which is a privately owned company, controls and profits by printing money through the Treasury, and regulating its value. If we printed our own money their would be no federal debt and no yearly deficit.

This has to cease. Congressman Henry Gonzales, Chairman of a banking committee, introduces legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913 nearly every year. It's always defeated, the media remains silent, and the public never learns the truth. The same bankers who own the FED control the media and give huge political contributions to sympathetic members of Congress

THE FED FEARS THE POPULATION WILL BECOME AWARE OF THIS FRAUD AND DEMAND CHANGE.

We, the People, are at fault for being passive and allowing this to continue.

DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE RUNNING FOR CONGRESS WHO WILL NOT VOTE TO REPEAL THE FEDERAL RESERVE.



hmbar
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Posted On Aug 14, 2007

Is is possible to post my reply to you? I am new to this site. I thought my response to you was being posted. Hopefully you will think it sufficiently important to post for all to read.

Thanks.

H. Barry

hmbarry@gmail.com



vuthia
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Posted On Aug 14, 2007

Notig,

You are correct on most counts, however, your ideas about credit are not economically sound.  We already see what happens when we have low interest rates-people borrow like crazy.  Just think what would happen if there were NO interest on loans-borrowing would spiral out of control, as would inflation, which, contrary to what you have said is very simple-it is an expansion of the money supply.  On the other hand, if we were to return to an honest money policy where credit was available and interest rates were determined according to the market forces of supply and demand, we would have modest borrowing, more savings, and low if no inflation. This in turn would most likely lead to lower interest rates in the long run, as lenders would not have to cover the cost of inflation.  Check out www.mises.org for great information on economics and fiscal policy.


 
 
 
Posted On Aug 03, 2007
I didn't get to see it,.. but I was told that a couple of days ago someone had purchased a full two page ad in the New York Times which was professing the truth of President Kennedy's assassination as the inside conspiracy that it was, and in which Lyndon Johnson was directly involved. ..... The ad apparently had further asserted the claims put forth in Oliver Stones film; "JFK" in which it was the tremendous profits to be made from the Vietnam War and Kennedy's plan to avoid that war, .. that got Kennedy killed. I do believe this is true.

The war profiteers are making billions of dollars off of the war in Iraq. How could anyone believe that these corporate interests would ever allow such humongous profits to be threatened by a presidential candidate whose agenda is to withdraw from the war and all such international military industrial activities?

I would certainly love to see Ron Paul become President,..  but I am certain that even if that were somehow to become a reality,..  Rockwell forgot to list one more way that Paul would be eliminated,.. that being assassination.

 
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Posted On Aug 03, 2007
Yeah E Howard Hunt made a lengthy death bed confession.. the truth has come out LB Johnson was highly involved.. and of course the CIA...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407deathbedconfession.htm

"E. Howard Hunt, a former CIA agent who organized the Watergate break-in, earning him the name "plumber" states in his book , American Spy: My Secret History in the CIA, Watergate & Beyond , due out in April, that "LBJ had the money and the connections to manipulate the scenario in Dallas and is on record as having convinced JFK to make the appearance in the first place."
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Below you can watch the History Channel documentary that was banned for fingering LBJ as the principle conspirator in the plot to kill Kennedy as well as numerous other political assassinations.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/150107ciaman.htm
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Also - Watch a clip of Robert Gaylon Ross' eye-opening interview with Madeleine Duncan Brown.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/300806jfk.htm



Susie Walsh
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Posted On Aug 20, 2007

I hate to say it, but I agree with shiva, it's a very real threat when a candidate comes along that REALY has the peoples/countries interest at heart. The power of these control freaks can never be under estimated, and when people open their eyes and realise the crimes that these governments are responsible for and worse still, get away with, means they will stop at nothing to maintain the power and control they currently enjoy. And when these crimes are committed they hardly even have to cover their tracks as the majority of people just don't want to believe that it could be possible that their own government could do such things to their own people. But having said that, someone has to try and I hope Ron Paul could be Americas chance and the rest of the worlds chance, to get back some kind of sanity in all this madness of world domination. I'm in Australia and what happens in America has a huge impact here as well, so let's try hard for the change that is so badly needed.


 
 
 
Posted On Aug 02, 2007
One serious issue we have holding back the real expression of the people is Voter Fraud!  The polls on Fox News were rigged to support Romney after the debates.. The last election that gave Bush his reign was rigged, we know this.

What makes us think that they will allow the vote to come out against who they want to win this election?

We must address voter fraud now.. not after they rig it! The electronic voting machines are shown to be very unsecured; they can be rigged. The whole thing can be rigged, we must talk about this issue now!

 I think the up coming straw polls will be rigged to show the country that Ron Paul is a nobody.. when online, where there is no media control, and ideas flow unruled; we know this couldn't be farther from the truth. The media coverage and people in power act like Paul is a no body, like he will do nothing for us.. this propaganda is visible now.. what makes us think they will stop at this..The bad element in our government will not just give up because we the people don't like it..

Lord help US.

 
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Posted On Aug 02, 2007
Instead of talking about it, let's DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

I went to a press conference yesterday at the Georgia State Capitol where Bev Harris (star of the HBO doc Hacking Democracy ) was part of a press conf.  Aside from the press, only 12 people came in support.  Let's make that number 1200 or even 12,000!  Bev's web site is blackboxvoting.org and look up local election reform groups in your area.  In Georgia there's voterga.org and others.  There is also Stealing America Vote by Vote - another great vid on election fraud.  Let's kick machines out of the voting process - PAPER BALLOTS ONLY!


jeremy_3
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Posted On Aug 02, 2007
Thanks for the info Jomel!! Great of you to get out there... your right we need massive grass roots support for this issue now!! Right now!

I wonder why Ron Pauls campaign hasn't talked about this.. I guess because they need you to go to the polls still.. they don't want to discourage you... but if it's rigged we need to do something about it now!!!

Who in the world is giving this a thumbs down.. do we have some government shills on here?? I think so.... oh well we need to over power them, we the people can not be stopped!

The Truth will set US Free!!

Diebold e-voting flaws could compromise elections

Diebold source code leaked again

PC World - Diebold E-Voting Flaws Could Compromise Elections

Black Box Voting


VIPER
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Posted On Aug 14, 2007

Voter fraud? No way? The Democrats are famous for stuffing the ballot box. Why do you think that California decided to get rid of the electronic voting machines. They realized they can't alter the votes casted.


 
 
 
Posted On Aug 02, 2007
When I initially started coming to mercola in June, I didn't know anything about Ron Paul except had heard his name.  I've sent articles out to all my email friends and family and their response has been underwhelming.   I would love to see him elected, but how are we going to take his message to the general population, the one's who don't care or understand what is so different?  How can we make the average lazy voter get off their duff and care about something?

 
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Jomel
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Posted On Aug 02, 2007
Go to RonPaul2008.com and join your local meetup.com group.  Together we can flood the Internet and streets so much with RON PAUL 2008 that the "old media" will have to cave in, and report on the REAL support Dr. Paul is getting.  That should wake up the couch potatoes enough to take notice.


stoic
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Posted On Aug 02, 2007
short answer: you can't. 

besides, how useful a question is it to ask, "how do we get this man into the oval offfice"?

Him and 299 just like him would be just as outnumbered as Leonidas & co. were against the Persians...any actual progress and the landscape would become grassy knolls as far as the eye could see...

the problems are systemtic.  the  expending of time and energy voting, because doing so lends the appearance of legitimacy, is part of the system design.

that said, maybe some better questions can be formulated.   


veggienut
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Posted On Aug 02, 2007
stoic, thank you for being an honest voice of illumination.  I get tired of holding the flashlight...nice to pass it to someone else from time to time. 

I still don't understand the theory of "We know the system is broken, but until we figure something else out, we'll keep participating in it".

 
 
 
 
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