Dr. Mercola July 15 2008 50,729 views
I am so happy to see SOME, no ANY medical doctor using common sense in this low cholesterol cult that has developed. In 1997, after over 2 years eating EXTREMELY low fat with virtually NO red meat and daily exercise, by annual physical showed my cholesterol was "borderline high". And at the ripe old age of 31, my doc wanted me on a statin. I passed and he fired me as a patient.
If I could for over 2 years eat a virtually fat free diet (never more than 20% of diet from any type of fat) and still have high levels, I figured the whole thing was BS.
My current doctor has fired me for the same exact reason. I am now pawned off on PAs (physician assistants) and not allowed to see a real doc in the practice because, to quote my chart, "patient refuses to allow herself to be medicated to help her health". Nice 'eh.
Here is a little known reason for the new, absurdedly low cholesterol numbers. Big pharm is lobbying, and lobbying hard, to get statins added to our water supply, just like they did for flouride.
Yep, you too can be on a liver killing drug by opening your tap, whether you want it or not.
Great. At the rate of demise of our jobs and livelihood, it won't be long before we won't be able to afford the filters to get rid of the crap and 70+% of our population will be forced onto drugs that will only make us sicker and more indebted to the AMA and pharmeceutical corporations.
If we don't wake the heck up and mobilize SOON against these horrors, I fear it will be too late. I cry over the future for my children and grandchildren.
I have a relative that had the same concern. While I am not a doctor, I suggested that she try a good quality Green Drink along with more darker colored fruits and lots of veggies including mushrooms. She only drinks water and an occasional cup of tea. Her cholesterol level is right where it should be! She does not eat red meat however, she will eat fish and chicken and avoids anything fried. She practices deep breathing exercises and also uses a product called "Super Seed," which is a fiber blend along with a mixture of good quality oils. Hopes this help!
Marco in Dallas.
TialsWorried
Where did you hear that statins might be added to the water supply? Is this yet another conspiracy theory, or is there some truth in it?
If so, yet another good reason to install a rainwater tank for drinking water. Wouldn't be without one!
FYI, Dr. M is not a "medical doctor" he is a DO, that is, a Doctor of Osteopathy, with all the standard medical doctor training and then some, something like chiropractic but not the same. A DO is also licensed to prescribe drugs. Technicality.
I wouldn‘t panic about statins being put in tap water. Big Pharma may like or even love the idea, but every Citizen has the RIGHT to refuse medication, and putting it in tap water violates that right. Think of it like this: You have the right to NOT be punched in the face; what happens when someone does so anyway? He goes to jail. Besides, it would be impossible to regulate dosage, where one person drinks say twelve glasses per day and the next one drinks maybe one, or none at all. And they‘d have to put it in all soda, since that‘s what most Americans drink instead of tap water. And statins have severe side effects in some people -- you can‘t discontinue drinking all water you don‘t even know is medicated! Point is, it‘s not even a remotely sensible idea.
"...to quote my chart..."? Find another office & start a new chart, after asking point-blank, "Do you subscribe to the unproven, discredited so-called ‘Lipid Hypothesis‘"? and getting the necessary "No" answer. It may take a while. Try some DOs.
HDL and LDL are not good and bad cholesterol.
They are lipoproteins which carry cholesterol to and from the liver.
They are called "good" and "bad" cholesterol because in the process of learning that the "Lipid Hypothesis" is bunk, researchers realized that the two classes do different things: LDLs can deposit as part of "arterial placque" and HDLs seem to remove some of that, never mind that both have a wide array of purposes in a variety of processes. The Mad Morons of Modern Mainstream Media (M5) need to oversimplify everything they see with their narrow pinhole tunnel vision in order to begin to comprehend it themselves and then report it incorrectly to the rest of us.
Dr. Mercola, I printed out your report and had planned to give it to my engineer husband who has been on statin drugs for several years. I was hoping for a solid argument that would finally convince him to get off Lipitor. Unfortunately, I think the words you use to describe the simple ratios of HDL:Cholesterol and Trig.:HDL are inaccurate mathematically, so the report by page 3 will totally turn him off. I think you should say the following:
HDL:Cholesterol ratio: Divide your HDL count by your total cholesterol count. That percentage should ideally be above 24%.
Triglyceride:HDL ratio: Divide your Triglyceride count by your HDL count. That NUMBER should be below 2.
For example, my counts are as follows:
Total cholesterol= 219 MG/DL; HDL= 43 MG/DL; and triglycerides are 85 mg/DL.
My HDL/Cholesterol ratio is 43/219=.196 = 19.6%. (too low)
My Triglyceride/HDL ratio is 85/43= 1.97 (An okay ratio, since this is a NUMBER less than 2, or a PERCENTAGE less than 200!)
Hope you see my point and will clean up you math language, so we can show a revised report to the many people who still remember eighth grade arithmetic and need to get the straight story.
Thanks.
KL
Hate to burst any bubbles, but I‘m quite sure Dr. M doesn‘t read any of these posts. Add up all the time it takes to read the entire thread posted by everyone here, then multiply by five, all in one day. See how little time is left for everything else Dr. M is involved with. Oops, no time left.
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Good point, though, clarity is paramount in making any good arguement seem credible.
About 30 years ago when alot of attention was starting regarding cholesterol levels, I'd been reading an Adele Davis book where she explained briefly how choles...was necessary in preserving youth, especially vegetable-based, and not to be afraid of it. As simple as that sounds, I followed that, going lightly on fatty red and pink meats and processed meats (which I hadn't even taken to as a kid when they were the new thing) and ate loads of avacadoes every week! Now at 54, I'm still taken for 10 or more years younger, have no physical ailments/complaints, I've still never had levels checked nor do I intend to and I stay away from medicos with a vengence! It's easier and more practical to find out things for yourself as Dr. M. often recommends!
JB
Many years ago I always came up with the cholesterol score of 8.7 (obviously scored differently here in Australia), and was told it had to be less than 5.5. At the time I was a vegitarian who only occassionaly ate cheese, so I tended to ignore the recommendations to go to statins. Eventually I met a doctor who insisted and so I am now on them and my score is 4.5. My husband always got a score of 4.5 and was told he was great. 2 years ago he had chest pains and was flown to Brisbane by the flying doctor (1000k away), where they found 9 blockages and did 5 bipasses. The surgeon said after that if he had known that he was so full of cholesterol he might have refused to do the operation. It seemed that all his arteries are absolutely clogged with the stuff - so much for the great cholesterol score! Now he is on statins and also takes B6, B12 and megafol as they say he has hyperhomocysteinemia which is a fault in a gene MTHFR - we found this out after his son found he had it and it is inherited so he has it too (Won't tell you what their slang for this gene is but you might be able to work it out!). Even after all this the doctor wanted him to have a fasting blood test the other week to check his cholesterol levels as they now want to get everyone down below 3.5 here. Told the Doc that the result will not be accurate given the history, but they insisted! Wow, his levels are now at 3.5 - does this mean that all that stuff in his arteries never existed? I don't think so. Unfortunately the only way we can find out just how clogged up he is now, is to open up an artery and look - not willing to do that.
All this makes me wonder just how accurate are these tests and what are they really telling us anyway?!!
Also no-one told us to take COQ10 either - I had to find that info out while looking on the web, and our Doc cannot understand why we take it - some education needed here I think!
Is there anyway of 'converting' a cholesterol reading? Here in South Africa the score is done the same as in Australia. My reading is 6.4 but I have no way of comparing that to what I read on the web - is it '140' or '160'? Anyone know about a calculation I can use to convert the reading?
Three digit cholesterol numbers are milligrams per decaliter. Single digit with single decimel numbers are mmol per liter. I have absolutely no idea what mmol stands for, never saw that before and can't imagine what it means. You might be able to work out an approximate conversion formula according to the chart I copied from Wikipedia (which will probably come out uneven):
Level mg/dL Level mmol/L Interpretation
< 200 < 5.2 Desirable level corresponding to lower risk for heart disease
200–240 5.2–6.2 Borderline high risk
> 240 > 6.2 High risk
I also don't know why we use two different systems, but as someone said, "The wonderful thing about standards is there are so many of them."
Ah, came out better than expected.
Now replace "Desirable level..." with "Increased risk for cancer and other immune dysfunction"; replace "Borderline high risk" with "Low-Normal"; and replace "High risk" with "Desirable for best overall health".
Arsene, 6.4 is perfect, according to the chart; about 248 if my math is on. But it's not the total that means everything, the ratio of one to the other is also what's important. For example, LDL 40 / HDL 208 would not exactly be ideal; HDL 60 / LDL 188 would be minimally okay; and HDL 80 / LDL 168 would be very good. See KaleLady's post above.
Of course, at 248 the average MD ("Me Doctor") would probably want to put you on TWO statins!! Tell him/her, "Statin THIS!"