Many 'All Natural' Foods Are Actually Heavily Processed

Longlocksf, you may be confusing hybridization with genetic modification. They are not the same. Seedless grapes are hybrids, as are most of our fruits and vegetables, but that means merely crossing two cultivars of the same species, like breeding a spaniel with a poodle. Seedless grapes can be grown without chemicals and can meet all the requirements of the "organic" label.

And they really aren't seedless anyway. When you pull the fruit from the stem the seed stays attached to the stem. It is "seedless" when you pop it in your mouth. Grapes with seeds are grapes where the seeds are embedded in the flesh and when you pull the grape from the stem the seeds remain and taste bitter when you comp down on them.

Seedless watermellons aren't really seedless either, some how breeders bred the seeds to be so small that they pretty much go unnoticed, but they are in there. It may be that the newest varieties don't have any seeds at all, but even in my seedless Valencia orange I will find a seed in about every 100 fruits.

Islander, seedless means sterile....or doesn't it? A fruit with no seeds does not produce a seed to plant it again. My issue with seedless grapes is that we eat the seeds too because they are chocked full of beneficial nutrients.

Reverend Alan,

I am glad you brought up watermelons...that was the other fruit of issues with trying to find the real deal. Have you ever had any luck drying those shrunken limited seeds, planting them and reproducing them? I have not. Nor do I want to when they have been "modified..." be it through genetic manipulations or through hybrid variations.

I see this hit and miss issue of finding a sporadic seed in correlation with how these gender bender chemicals are lowering our sperm count of our males. If a fruit is no longer containing fruit baring seeds it has been rendered sterile. They continue to take away all our choices while they force the market to go these directions. This "one size fits all" choice is making many more people save generational seeds and start their own gardens. Which is what we needed to do years ago anyway.

Longlocksf, as the Rev pointed out, these fruits have been selected for small seed size, not seedlessness. Otherwise, how could they be hybridized? Further, saving hybrid seeds is pointless as the F2 generation will revert to the parentage. Remember Gregor Mendel and high school biology?

Open-pollinated (OP) or "heirloom" seeds have been available right along. Commercial growers and many home gardeners choose hybrids for reasons of cosmetics, shipping ability, yield, earliness or some other quality. In my short-season climate I choose certain hybrids, like peppers for earliness and broccoli for reliable side-shoot production. But I choose many heirloom varieties for flavor — which is often lost in our quest for other attributes.

To my knowledge, the only sterile seeds are Monsanto's "Terminator" seeds, delibrerately bred, for financial reasons, with the inability to reproduce.

I think it's a mistake to equate "seedless" or "sterile" with "unnatural" and therefore "unhealthy."

A mule is a very useful animal, the result of a donkey breeding with a horse. Donkeys and horses willingly breed with each other; it is completely natural and not the result of some evil corporate plot. Yet the resulting offspring is sterile.

One could just as easily use selective breeding to produce a grape that was nothing but seed, with little or no useful pulp. For example, the almond is thought to have been domesticated from the peach by this method. Are you prepared to say almonds are "modified from their natural state" and are thus are somehow unhealthy or unnatural?

The difference between hybrids and genetically engineered organisms is extremely important, although they may seem similar to those who don't have training or background in agriculture.

What a novel Idea. I see nothing wrong with that. Then you truly know you have raw fresh raw milk and the conditions of which your milk comes.

We are not as lucky in the US as you might think. The small farmers that refuse to certify their raw milk because they feel it is true to nature, are not committing any crime, and do not feel they should be penalized by filling out hoards of paper work and paying fees they cannot afford just to be certified, are being driven out of business.

Try finding raw milk cheese. Almost impossible! The farmers are harassed by swat team like FDA men, who come to their farms at 4:00 am in the morning and confiscate their milk, treat them like criminals, and then tell the news they have bacteria and what not. They make up stories that are simply NOT TRUE. What's so lucky about that?

The reason "certified organic" costs so much is because of the expense of the paper work and the process.

I believe that Amish and Mennonite  farmers who raise their cows humanely should not be harassed. I believe they are doing no wrong and trust their product. (I live in PA) Inspections are fine, harassment is something different all together.

Buying a share of a cow or goat? Novel!

And all FERMENTED raw-milk products, i.e. cheese, yoghurt etc are legal to be  made and sold, at least here in Ontario, Canada. but i think these laws very considerably from province to province.

We have to do the EXACT same thing here! It's ridiculous. California was the easiest place to get raw milk in the country, other than in rural areas where you either have your own cows or know a farmer that will sell it to you. Now that has changed in Cali as well.

They're raiding small farms in the US that sell organic milk, cheese and meats and locking up entire families, confiscating their property, computers and more. They come in with full tac armor, vests, machine guns drawn and ready, as though they're raiding some sort of so called "terrorist cell" or something, totally OVERKILL and pathetic. Especially when you see these so called "big tough guys" coming to pick on a middle aged man, his wife and 3 younger children just running an honest small business and they have to come in and destroy them. All part of the tyranny being imposed on the American and Canadian people. It's beyond sad and pathetic!

It depends where you live in the US. In Colorado we have to buy a share of a herd, too. I have shares in a goat herd and that's how I get my raw goat's milk :)

The maltoextrin we use in Miracle Whey is fibersol from the European / Japanese type which is guaranteed GMO free.  I already addressed this question previously on your forum.  The American type is not guaranteed GMO free and that’s why we use only the imported one.

I inquired via online support whether or not the maltodextrin in the Miracle Whey was GMO.  After waiting more than a month, the reply was:

"The corn protein is stripped so far down, that there is no risk of it having GMO proteins or characteristics found in the product".  

I'd like to see scientific proof of that; it sounds ludicrous.  Even more, I'd like Dr. Mercola to please explain the discrepant information.

Our product does NOT have any GMO, but what you were told was correct. Dextrose derived from GMO corn does NOT present any problems. You can ask Jeffery Smith if you would like to confirm.

I posed this question, in the "Ori" interview piece last week - would the chemistry differ between gmo & non-gmo maltodextrin (apparently it does not).

the other part that still applies tho is that sourcing gmo, even for something that ends up with no gmo coponents in it supports gmo - and given all else that has been written, there should be no support.

the question that REMAINS unanswered is why use this, other fillers, at all?

I use a LOT of whey protein (I order 4 "casks" at a time from LE)...if anybody came out with a clean product (no flavorings, sweeteners, fillers), I'd buy it.

Both maltodextrin and dextrose are listed on responsibletechnology.org's Non-GMO Shopping Guide as GMO.  Jeffery also lists them as ingredients to avoid while dining out in this article:

www.responsibletechnology.org/.../dine-out-non-gmo

I'm still wondering why you say the maltodextrin is non-gmo because it is from abroad, and why your support staff have another explanation.

Curious, that link doesn't work, but it led me until I found this one. Is the information you're referring to here? www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocum..

Thanks for sharing that.

I'm unsure what you're implying here.

It is true that if you make jelly from organic grapes and organic honey, it is a "processed" product.

I make feta cheese from our own browse-fed organic goat milk, non-GMO acidophilus culture, vegetable rennet, and sea salt. I put it in jars. I guess this is a "processed" product, as well.

Even a raw foodist puts things in a "food processor" to juice and mix.

Where do we draw the line? Is it simply a matter of degree?