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Can Colon Cancer Screenings Cause More Harm Than Good?

colon cancer, screenings, colonoscopyScreenings for colorectal cancer may not benefit patients with severe illnesses, and they may even cause harm, Yale School of Medicine researchers revealed.

Their new study estimated “payoff time” -- the minimum amount of time it takes for the benefits of a test to outweigh its harm (from complications and side effects) -- for using colonoscopy to screen for colorectal cancer among 50-year-old men with HIV, and 60-year-old women with congestive heart failure.

They found that the screening took up to five years to payoff in the men, and nearly three years among the women. Because patients with severe congestive heart failure may live less than three years, the researchers concluded that the test could cause more harm than good.

However, among the men with HIV, who can often live longer than five years, the screening would likely be beneficial.

The findings have particular importance because current guidelines encourage doctors to offer screening to everyone, regardless of individual benefit.

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For most people, colon cancer screenings are a simple, relatively painless way to screen for colorectal cancer, which is the third most common cancer in the United States (over 52,000 Americans died from colon or rectal cancer in 2007).

During a colonoscopy a long, flexible tube with a video camera at its tip is inserted into your bowel, which allows your doctor to view the inside of your colon.

Assuming your doctor is skilled at detecting colorectal cancer and precancerous polyps, the screenings can save your life if you find a polyp before it has advanced to a certain stage. This is because removal of the small tumors is nearly always able to stop the cancer from progressing.

However, this is clearly only addressing the symptoms, and not the underlying problem. My approach is not to focus on catching the problem AFTER the fact but to be more highly proactive and prevent ALL forms of cancer.

While this may seem heretical for myself, I am choosing not to do any cancer screenings. I believe the screening would put the focus on fear and potentially increase my chances for manifesting the disease. However, I am not recommending this for everyone.  I believe that because of my healthy lifestyle, I am very confident that I am at an insignificant risk of any malignancy.

You can also achieve this confidence by applying the principles I have outlined in my most recent book, Take Control of  Your Health. Some of the cancer-preventative proven strategies are:
What to Do If You Already Have a Problem or Do Need a Screen

First of all I would not ignore any symptoms. If you have rectal bleeding you will certainly want to follow that up and seek appropriate consultations. If you want to be more proactive and have a screening performed then I strongly believe energy assessment tools are the most sensitive biological indicator available today.

There are a number of different instruments available and most all of them are highly dependent upon the skill of the practitioner. Most of these instruments are descendants of equipment developed by Dr. Voll in Germany in the 1950s.

I have had a number of different assessments done by various clinicians, but one of the best was done by Dr. Lee Cowden, one of the current leaders in energy medicine in the United States. I will tell my story in the near future, but through this technology he was able to actually reverse a progressive kidney insufficiency that was moving toward kidney failure. I am happy to report that after struggling with this issue for over eight years, only one session with him and implementing his recommendations has resulted in complete remission of my kidney challenge.

So, needless to say I am a strong believer in energy medicine and would personally always use it over conventional modalities. However, the science is weak and it can’t be broadly recommended for all. Plus, there really aren’t enough skilled clinicians like Dr. Cowden to perform these assessments, however it is a tool that you should know does currently exist.

However, at the core of nearly all cancers and disease are unresolved emotional conflicts that typically occurred before the age of 6. Along those lines there are some aspects related to colon cancer you should know of.

Overcome Ugly “Indigestible” Emotional Conflicts

Your emotions play a major role in cancer development, and colon cancer is no exception. According to the unprecedented research behind German New Medicine (GNM), developed by Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer, M.D., every disease, including cancer, originates from an unexpected emotional shock.

But the disease that develops is not random. Dr. Hamer has mapped out precisely which area of your body will be impacted by emotional shocks to different areas in your brain. As he explains on his Web site, colon cancer is triggered by an emotional conflict that is:
  • Ugly, indigestible anger (colon)
  • Ugly, insidious, dirty ”sh** conflict“ (rectum)
  • Ugly, mean ”sh** conflict“ (sigmoid colon)
Examples of such conflicts, as Dr. Hamer explains, include:

“… A man thinks he has won the lottery and he has already invited all his friends and relatives, when it turns out that the lottery ticket was invalid. That is to say, the person has already ”snatched the lottery prize-morsel,“ but at the end he has to yield it up.

Another example would be that a patient suffers an indigestible conflict because he has just ”swallowed a morsel“ but cannot ”digest“ it. For instance, he just bought a house but suddenly discovers that the contract of purchase is invalid, that he has been cheated, and that he has now lost the house.”

How do your emotions trigger illness? By causing very real physical changes in your body. A traumatic emotional experience, whether it’s the loss of a loved one, a severe worry or any other threat or panic, causes you stress on a physical and emotional level. It also, according to Dr. Hamer, causes a brain lesion that can clearly be seen on a CT scan.

This lesion is confirmation to your brain of the shock you have experienced, and it then transmits a biochemical signal to the corresponding body cells that can result in tumor growth, visual or hearing impairment, paralysis, diabetes or any other disease (depending on the area of your brain affected).

The solution is not to treat the physical symptoms, but instead to get to the bottom of the emotional conflict, and heal yourself emotionally.

My favorite form of emotional healing is Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT). If you’re not yet familiar with it, it’s a tool you can use everyday to free yourself of emotional challenges.

If you listen to these fundamental laws of nature -- to eat healthy foods, exercise and deal with your emotional hurdles -- it will go a long way toward keeping you out of the doctor’s office and helping you prevent cancer altogether.


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Posted On Dec 27, 2007
Sheila:
First: members come here to learn, to exchange ideas, to share experiences and to reflect. Most do not come with the intention of abusing others. I have no "clique" as you call it, and I feel no need to "defend" myself, but if others speak up on my behalf, it is because they perceive that you have crossed a line. Personally, I just shrug it off for the temporary irritant that it is.

Second: I try to maintain a civil tone but sometimes my patience is exhausted. I feel like I am being stalked when I am confronted with an unrelated post from the past. Are you keeping an "Islander" file?

Finally: this sure looks a lot like trolling, i.e. deliberately posting provocative or inflammatory comments with the intent of arousing emotions. It is reasonable to expect disagreement on any topic, but you are unwilling to let it go at that. Kindly withdraw now and leave the medical advice to Dr. Mercola.

 
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Posted On Dec 28, 2007
Islander, let me start again.  I wish with all my heart that you had done a colon cleanse 10 years ago.  Then it would have saved you all the pain and suffering that you have gone through.  I so strongly believe this that I have been persecuted and my character has be assassinated because of it.  But I still hold firm.  You may initially have thought it was your gastroenterologist and oncologist who saved you, but don't kid yourself, you are still here 8 years later because you took control of your health.  And good for you!  I know I can't convince you, but would like to quote this from the following site "Nearly all the problems you are likely to have from cancer are related to the large bowel"
http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=14326
Also there are a few more you should see, if you don't mind.
http://www.naturalhealthtechniques.com/SpecificDiseases/bowelmovements.htm
http://www.blogs.insidetoronto.com/naturopathic_perspectives/digestion-and-elimination/hea lthy-bowel-movements/
http://www.askahealer.com/what-is-healthy-stool.htm
http://www.colon-cleanse-constipation.com/bowel-movements.html
What do you think?


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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Sheila, what the heck is it going to take to make you see that some people get cancer regardless of what they did or didn't do?  From what I've seen Islander write, she has always grown her own ORGANIC produce, had her own cows and goats etc etc.   All you do by blaming the person is hurt the person who suffered the illness and confuse everyone else.  Blanket statements such as this one are tremendously harmful to people who are just learning about alternative health and painful to those who have suffered diseases such as colon cancer.  Frankly, I'm sick of you trying to "force" your beliefs on others regardless of whether or not you hurt somebody.   Even worse, is you haven't answered anyone's questions nor produced evidence that colon cleanses prevent or cure cancer.  I'm only bothering to reply to protect anyone just coming across this material for the first time.   You appear to have a very unhealthy bowel fixation.  I don't mind listening to other opinions but I do mind when your so called opinion becomes a personal attack against others, especially people who are complete strangers to you.  What if somebody reading this has just been diagnosed, runs out and does a colon cleanse in the mistaken belief that that will cure them and they die BECAUSE OF YOU?  LAY OFF!!!


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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Hi Patty, did you even check out those links I posted?  As they are other people's opinions, not just my own.  Obviously there are other factors involved in cancer (stress, nutritional deficiency, pesticides), but a colon cleanse is the first step, especially for those who do not eat organic.  Most people come to see my herbalist because they are having health issues.  I would estimate approx. 70% of new clients, the biggest issue is their colon.  A lot of other health ailments disappear just by doing a colon cleanse.  But usually it is this that triggers their "taking control of their health".  With BeyondOrganic's dad, I am positive it was the agent orange.  As everyone that I ever heard of who was in contact with the stuff, has either died or is dying of cancer.  Even our government paid out some of those who served and were exposed to agent orange.  There is more to Islander's story than she says, I hope that she can confide in us.  As I said in another post here, there are other non invasive ways of being diagnosed with cancer.  Not everyone needs a colonoscopy to determine if they have cancer.  There is also live blood cell analysis.
Patty, could you please show your proof that someone died from taking a herbal colon cleanse.


Patty D
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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Sheila, I promised myself to say no more but....my comment did NOT refer to somebody dying from the cleanse (although I see it as possible with various conditions that might result in dehydration, electrolyte imbalance etc).  I was referring to somebody who has colon cancer believing your posts that a cleanse will cure it, not getting treatment and dying from that.  That's the type of harm I want to prevent.   Blood cell analysis I believe, is a big hoax and yes, I've done a lot of research on it.  Allopathic blood tests for certain cancer markers are notoriously unreliable so, in the case of colon cancer, I do believe a colonoscopy and biopsy is the best way to diagnose.  Again, prevention is everything, but nobody living in today's society can prevent exposure to all toxins.   How can you have the audacity to state that Islander needs to confide some deep dark secret.  Your arrogance is appalling.   BTW...yes I checked out the links you've given and I'm no more convinced of anything than I was at the start.  I don't buy into most of allopathic medicine anymore BUT I'm not going to buy into everything alternative either.  If it's not likely to hurt me and sounds like it may help, I'll try it.  Clay for detox worked.  Vitamin C purge (which resulted in a colon cleanse) seems to have stopped a bad respiratory infection.  I'm very open minded and if it doesn't seem harmful, will rely on anecdotal evidence to make a decision.  I also believe in things that have no scientific explanation.  I tend NOT to believe stuff that comes from sites whose primary purpose is to sell, not educate.  


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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Good job Patty! :)


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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Hi Patty, so you have chosen to incorporate a Vitamin C colon cleanse?  Wow, I thought you were against them?  Another alternative is aloe vera.  I was just suggesting a product that may work well, as have you.  I am not here to sell anything.  But I am sure by now you have closed your mind off to anything that I have to say.  But if a relatively healthy person dyed of dehyradration, wouldn't that just be stupidity?  You cannot tell me that that person's body wasn't crying out for days, for water.  And do you honestly believe that a person would take that one comment I made and run with it.  That insults everyones intelligence.  I do not take back the comment about the nurses.  That is their mentality, no one can know better than them.  Sorry to inform you, I know perfectly well how the colon works.  I can read and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.  Why do you feel that it is priviledged knowledge that only the regular medical community knows about?


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Posted On Dec 30, 2007
Hi Patty, could you please provide the link that proves that live blood cell analysis is "a big hoax".






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Posted On Dec 30, 2007
"As I said in another post here, there are other non invasive ways of being diagnosed with cancer.  Not everyone needs a colonoscopy to determine if they have cancer."

Since someone here feels the need to go on and on and on.....
The above comment that I copied and pasted has bothered me a bit.  I want to make it clear that I went in and will continue to go in for a colonoscopy NOT to find out if I have cancer, but to rather find out if I have a polyp (thankfully I didn't this time).  If they find a polyp they can remove it long before it ever has a chance of turning into cancer.  Whereas most polyps if given the time, will eventually turn into cancer.   I don't ever want to go through what my poor dad did.  Colon and rectal cancers seem to be one of the few that can be prevented with a colonoscopy and polyp removal.  

 
 
 
Posted On Dec 29, 2007
I was reading this: "If you had done a colon cleanse you would not have got cancer" is one of the most insulting, ignorant, rude things to say to anyone who has dealt with, or lost someone to cancer.

I routinely do cleansing; liver and colon, it is a good idea to remove poisons that collect, but to say if you don't you'll get cancer, or if you had you wouldn't have got cancer is wildly ridiculous, and sweepingly generalizing to a dangerous degree.  Dangerous?  Yes, any violent expulsion of fecal matter can rupture damaged membranes and any diverticula, to even pierce through a weakened colon wall.  I would say cleanses are not a panacea for people who have neglected their bodies and not listened to the subtle signals that tell one it's time for some exploration into what's wrong.    By the time many people realize there is a problem it's way too late for a cleanse, it's time for surgery.

Not even an allopath would dare to diagnose in a message group.

Kel

 
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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Hi Kel, please read that again, and the rest of the posts too.  I never said if you don't do a colon cleanse you will get cancer.  And no one is talking about violent expulsion.  I've heard you have some pretty gross infomercials, but I have never seen them.  Is this where everyone is getting their information from?  You are out of the loop on this one, girl.  Previously on another site, Islander and I got into it about colon cleanses.  I could never understand why they were so against them.  Now the truth is starting to come out.  Sorry I had to be so harsh, but hopefully we will get there. 


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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Sheila, I was not talking about you or even anyone in particular, I was just tossing my hat in.

Kel

 
 
 
Posted On Dec 26, 2007
Concerning Dr. Shultz, I do have to advise some caution. 

I do not dispute that Dr. Shultz and his mentors Dr. Bernard Jensen (who was a chiropractor if I recall correctly) and Dr. John Christopher (founder of School of Natural Healing in Utah) have helped many people back to health.

Unfortunately, many of the healing  techniques that are used by his mentors (Aromatherapy, Iridology and Reflexology) along with herbology do not have good scientific studies to support the degree of claims of success that are given to them.  I am not saying just because there are not good scientific studies to support them that they are completely invalid, just be cautious.

I believe that many of the bloggers on this site like to follow Dr. Mercola and others similar to him because they tend to have some good biochemistry, endocrinology and science to support the claims.

Unfortunately, many practitioners in alternative health provide theoretical biochemical proposals to support their clinical observations. 

There is a subtle but important distinction between the two approaches.

 
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Posted On Dec 27, 2007
Hi Dr. Fox, do you practise any energy medicine?  Are you open to that concept?  As a chiropractor, I would think that you would be more open minded.  It wasn't that long ago that chiropractors were considered quacks, not that I believe this, but you have to admit that chiropractors were once considered "on the fringe".  The muscle stress test is used in Kinesiology.  As with anything, it takes training and practise.  Please check out this site www.bodytalksystems.com.
Maybe Dr. Mercola could explain his BEST sessions for you.


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Posted On Dec 27, 2007
Sheila,

I am not saying that "energy medicine" does not work.  As in my post concerning "muscle stress testing", I asked if you knew of any good scientific studies to support its claims.

I would ask the same for "energy medicine".  If you will note on the web site you suggested I look at, they have "testimonials", but no scientific studies.  In my earlier years of practicing, I was fooled too many times by listening to "testimonials" only to find that other things were in play, such as placebo.  Placebos can be very, very powerful.  The power of positive thinking has tremendous benefits.  If a physician can "trick" someone into thinking themselves well, I am all for it.  Far safer than drugs.

Chiropractic made it into greater acceptance as they began to separate out unsupported philosophies of health from those that can be supported scientifically.

It does not mean that the unsupported philosophies are wrong, it just means that they are unsupported by science. 

I have seen energy auras for much of my life when I focus and try to see them.  Unfortunately, when scientific studies are done, they too can not be verified between those that claim to see them (have people standing behind a sheet  and try to guess where they are standing by seeing the aura that would extend beyond the top of the sheet, for instance.)

Mercola tries well at keeping science in his belief system.  He too, at times, however, explores alternative health healing methods that are not supported by science.  Thus, I do not blindly follow him as a guru.  

There are literally dozens of "energy systems" that have been around that I have looked at over the years.  None are ever supported by science. 

There are many aspects of chiropractic that are unscientific.  As these are weeded out, chiropractic has become more accepted.


Sheila C
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Posted On Dec 28, 2007
Hi Dr. Fox, thank you for your kinds words below.  I have always been a straight talker and that has got me into trouble on more than a few occasions.  Sometimes I am a little more forward than I should be.
I am sorry that you did not find this link, which shows how body talk works without being able to communicate with the patient, so there is no chance of having a placebo effect. http://www.bodytalksystem.com/bodytalk/overview/article.cfm?id=13 and please check out http://www.bodytalksystem.com/overview/article.cfm?id=8 for a more indepth look at how it is supposed to work.  Also you may want to read the book Soul Mind Body Medicine by Dr. Zhi Gang Sha.
I am very curious about the auras.  Have you ever used it in your practise as a tool on how to approach your client.  I mean if you saw a black aura, did that alter in any way, how you started your protocol with them?  Also did you ever start a session with a person who had a black aura and by the end of the session it was yellow or white? 


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Posted On Dec 29, 2007

Sheila--Perhaps there was some important information in your second link that would cause me to view this differently, but the link did not work for me.

I unfortunately, remain unimpressed. You say: ". . . which shows how body talk works without being able to communicate with the patient, so there is no chance of having a placebo effect."

I am afraid that it appears that you do not quite understand the effect of placebo. There is tremendous opportunity here for placebo to be working.

Have you ever studied hypnosis? There are hypnotists, for instance, that can hypnotize people very quickly and they only speak a foreign language to the subject. No words are understood.

I do not doubt the success stories reported in the testimonials. Please remember when testimonials are given, that often failures are not reported. The process they use is not new and unique. As I stated in an earlier post, I investigated this personally 30 years ago and it simply does not past scientific scrutiny. And yes I investigated surrogate testing. There simply have not been any controlled scientific studies to validate these systems of body analysis--and many have tried.

Have five practitioners analyze the same patient independently, for instance, and see if they all come to the same conclusion. There are many explanations for the successes that Body Talk may have, other than the explanation of the technique that is used.

I have investigated many Body Talk like systems of analysis in 30 years and have yet to have anyone able to provide me with one single good study validating them.


I do not wish to cause a new battle for anyone with my next statement---But I kind of place Body Talk in the same box as faith healing. It may work; it is just that there has never been any scientific validation.


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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Hi Dr. Fox, the Body Talk System has worked well for me and for a lot of people I know.  It does not incorporate the use of hypnosis.  The first link has results from two people who practised this in a community where there was a language barrier.  Everything they talk about, you are able to get all that information from a body, using the Body Talk System.
That is the thing about energy medicine, it cannot be seen or scientifical tested.  But it is the results, that floor me.  My analysis has told me things about myself that there was no possible way she would have known.  She is able to clear the pathways of previously held beliefs which hinder your bodies ability to heal itself.
I noticed you didn't answer my questions regarding the auras.


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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Sheila--you have convinced me, and likely all here, that you firmly have your belief system of health.  If it works for you then I would never wish to take that away from you.

I'm afraid that I am hearing from your responses, however,  that you are  not quite understanding what I have been trying to get across in my multiple responses.  I feel the need to move on as I don't think there will be any further fruit born to this present discussion. 

I wish you all the best in your adventure through the maze of health options that abound in our world.


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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Dear Cathy,

--ancient Ratamaic healing art of "Waggling the Weiner".--very funny post. 

Do they teach this routinely in Peru or can I learn more about it here in the Northern Hemisphere--More humor in life--thanks--

BTW--humor actually increases the p53 tumor surpressor gene which is one of the bodies natural defense mechanisms at preventing cancer--keep us laughing.


Sheila C
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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
Hi Dr. Fox, I know exactly what point you are trying to get across, and I respect that.  But you do not seem to want to answer my questions about the auras.  I believe you, when you say that you can see auras, but of course you have no way of proving this.  This was the point I was trying to make, but you obviously figured that out, and weren't going to give me any ammunition.  Do you think people will think less of you if you were to answer my questions?  Is that what this site has resorted to, you are not allowed to post anything out of the ordinary.  I was just curious, not disrespectful.  My friends son can see auras, he told me when he saw the black cloud hovering above her head for 3 days, he didn't dare go near her.  I'm sure I would be a lot more skeptical, if I didn't know someone who has this ability.


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Posted On Dec 29, 2007
SUPERCALIFRAGILISTICEXBIALIDOCIOUS!!!!!


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Posted On Jan 14, 2008

Foxtrotter, energy medicine, like acupuncture, does not lend itself to quantifiable testing like pills do. That does not invalidate it, as the Chinese know so well. If only "scientifically proven" healing were used, we would be deprived of most of the best medicine out there. Not that there aren't quacks in energy healing. Maybe not quite as many as in the allopathic medical field, though.

And Dr Schulze (correct spelling) rocks, he has helped me more than any MD.

Andy


 
 
 
Posted On Jan 10, 2008

Goji, you are the only one who captured the message above. Not treatment but healing is the way to go.

The precondition for healing is to know the reason of any illness as well as the symptoms and risks of healing. The GNM provides the perfect theory of the conflict-brain-organ connection. GNM is not an alternative healing method but the scientific core of medicine. Because there was no falsification since more than twenty years GNM as established and published by Dr. Hamer can be considered true. And I know by my own experience it works.

But Dr. Mercola must be naive or lion-hearted to get into the act of GNM. In Germany there is e merciless oppression of the GNM. The blames reach from charlatanism to sectarianism. Recently even the fascism club as a last choice will be used. The medical and pharma industry would be the looser if GNM is applied. Because most of the funding is coming from there they are able to prevent teaching of scientific basics at medical faculties.


 
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Posted On Jan 10, 2008

Just about every animal on this planet has mastered the function of elimination. Why then should humans have to start reinventing this wheel? To my mind there is only one answer: we are removed from the natural elements which our bodies need to perform.

You will be surprised which of the natural elements affect this. Eliminate all of this foolishness simply by taking adequate amounts of a cheap magnesium supplement. The results will impress you forever. Magnesium used to be in the water, but no longer especially if you use a water softener. Do a search on it, you will be fascinated. Oh yea, it will also keep you from having a heart attack.


 
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