I totally agree with you(and Linus)....Vit. C is very important...people can sometimes notice if they might be deficient if they bruise easily and don't heal fast...I notice that when I neglect my vit.C, I tend to bruise more...which would tend to support "bleed out."(P.S. my platlet count is fine)....I also take up to 10,000 mg when sick, stressed, late to bed....this was told to me by an Indian thorasic surgeon years before I even read Pauling's book...(you must rest and drink plenty of water on this therapy, too)....Also, drinking raw milk has vit. C!

ooh...good point about the stats for statins and stroke!!!

Get over it people. This is NOT animal cruelty. It's science. Without animal experiments, how do you suggest mankind progress in medical research. Had you rather the experiements be done on humans instead? Go back to the soccer game.

What Stepehn notes is another piece of the puzzle and it confirms Dr. Hamer's findings.

Dr. Hamer indicates that a heart attack actually happens at the height pf a healing process and it is triggered in the brain, as it heals the heart relays which were affected by the "territorial anger" stress.

During the stress period our arteries widen by losing cells. Cholesterol helps fill in the cracks  - the "bad" cholesterol which is sticky, is the one used by the body at this phase. So increase in cholesterol is a sign of healing, in essence. Taken to the extreme or if it lasts too long, this accumulation of cholesterol can clog our arteries, so using natural means to control and reduce it gradually will help us heal with out problems.

Vitamin C is a stimulant of the sympathetic nervous system, which is the one active during periods of stress. And it is one of the reasons why we are depleted of this vitamin during stress - we use it up!

During healing, it is the parasympathetic system which is involved. if healing happens too fast, we can get into trouble. Taking vitamin C at this time helps slow down the healing process to a bearable pace by switching us to sympathetic system action for a while, while also making us healthy.

Statins do not do that - they only suppress the healing, causing the body to get confused (by the additional chemical side-effects) and also to rebel by pushing to produce yet more cholesterol, putting us in a vicious cycle. Statins also prevent our body from absorbing many other nutrients, causing us to get ill...at a time when we are healing and need all our resources!

One of the problems with healing from emotional stress, is dealing with the emotions themselves. And here, modern alternative medicine has developed over the past 200 years homeopathic medicine. Homeopathic remedies have the capability to reduce emotional stress, even cancelling out the effects of past emotional trauma.

And we can use all our resources for healing.

I don't believe it is vitamin C. I don't believe that diet is that important. I'm convinced that the main cause of cardiovascular disease is vitamin D deficiency. How else does one explain why 20 cigarettes a day and / or a diet poor in this vitamin are so lethal in Finland, Scotland and Ireland whereas residents of countries with good levels of sunshine (along with a 'better' diet) a  show much lower rates of CVD, even when worse smoking habits are taken into account. Anyone will tell you that the men around the Eastern Mediterranean smoke an enormous amount... the Italians say 'fumare come un turco'... to smoke like a Turk - yet rates of CVD are much lower. The declines in CVD in Finland have arisen as smoking has fallen massively, but also when the population were asked to drop butter, cheese and eggs from the diet and exchange them for 3 or more portions of oily fish a week. As Finland has got richer in recent years, many Finns have begun to take winter breaks in the sun (the Canary Islands are Helsinki over Christmas and New Year) as well as buying sunbeds and light boxes to overcome winter depression.

CVD (as well as multiple sclerosis and lung cancer) shows an almost perfect correlation with latitude and sunshine when smoking habits are taken into consideration.

I rest my case.

Mega doses of Ascorbic Acid is not the answer either.  Even the Linus Pauling Institute no longer advises these high doses, but rather about 400 mg. per day.

Ascorbic Acid supplements are not the same as what the body once made nor what the animals bodies make.  In fact our kidneys have somehow compensated for the loss.  It is detrimental to be taking extremely high doses of this chemical form of Vitamin C.  

Write to Linus Pauling Institute for specifics.

You mention STATINS, I was put on Statins and within the first few weeks, my memory went........for example: put a cup down on the sink, turned away then returned to the sink and could not remember putting it down a few moments ago........then there was lack of co-ordination, clumsyness, dropping things for no reason at all....placing a wine glass on the table carefully, then to my amazement, knocking it off as I withdrew my hand.

In case you are unaware of this, ascorbic acid (vitamin C) should either be taken with a metabolite, or, preferably, an orange, or grapefruit, or the FRESHLY SQUEEZED juice from one, or another good source of natural vitamin C. This is to ensure that it is absorbed, and utilised to the maximum extent possible. Otherwise it just goes into producing expensive urine.

Perhaps more to the point animals do not stay stressed over anything, they live very much in the moment at all times and once something is over it is over. No hanging onto any self righteous thoughts or thoughts of wrong, we can learn a lot about our selves and our lives from this attitude.

Let it all go... every night just before you fall asleep, go backwards through your day and let everything go, fall asleep knowing it has all been dealt with just in the act of releasing. You know forgiveness is not about letting the other person "off the hook", it is about letting you off the hook, so that you can remain healthy in body, mind and spirit.

I don't eat any vitamin C (according to nutritionnal websites, red meat has no vitamin C).

Yet I don't lack any vitamin C. I very rarely bruise (I just realize it now, I haven't bruised in QUITE a while, while I used to bruise easily when I was younger).

The truth is that you only need high amounts of vitamin C when eating carbs.

Mr. Dupre:  Thank you so much for this information.  Just ordered this book.  Major major life changes that have been going on for six months.  I have always taken lots of C 500-1000/day. Probably why I am still here.  Always wanted to know how to get rid of plaque (I have 2).  Thanks again.

Check my post re: Dr. Holt further down the thread.

You said it, "the trick is to NOT take them back".  So often we understand we need to go to HIm for help, but then we go back to relying on ourself right after the "amen".  How smart is that!

The "key" to not taking those worries back (at least for me) is to understand when they have come back in the first place.   I have come to realize that when I release my worries to God (or to whatever your name is for God) that often they sneek back into my consciousness in some other form, i.e. I may think I'm not worrying about the orignal issue specifically, whether a death or financial worry, but everything I do or try to accomplish has become a struggle....simple things often and sometimes not so simple things...and the more that happens the more irritated I get.   This is my "heads up" from God to re-assess and get back into the flow.  I love to here how others handle "stressssss", which is basically what we are talking about here, as regardless of all those external factors that might differ (income, relationships, etc.) - it hits us all at one time or the other.  It's how we handle it that counts.  

Thats good advice aservant prayer and talking to the Lord is a great way to relieve stress Jesus said come unto me you that are burdened and heavy ladened and I shall give you rest theres nothing better Hebrews ch.4 tells us how to rest

I have found that, for me anyway, prayer works better than any other stress reducer (including EFT and meditation). I don't know why this is but I do know that since I began praying to my savior about 5 years ago, I have very little stress (if any). I would have been the first to yell "hogwash"  until I actually found Jesus myself.  I thought all the people claiming to have a better, stress free, happier and healthier life through Christ were luny-tunes until I saw hoe my own lif changes for the better.  Go figure!

Dr. Hamer thinks so, too:

germannewmedicine.ca/.../holt_letter.html

Their consciousness is worse than that of a weasel ripping a chicken's head off.